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Old 04-17-2007, 02:35 PM     Post subject: Is this BS? #1 (permalink)  
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Old 04-17-2007, 04:10 PM #2 (permalink)  
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assuming you can beat the game for 2bb/100. yes, it's correct.

i also believe most MTT players also play some other form of poker to generate a positive stream of cash. so his statement about MTTs is not entirely correct.
 
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Old 04-17-2007, 04:15 PM #3 (permalink)  
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 I mean, he paints a picture that it's that easy. Which I know that it probably isn't. But, with tight as a rock fundamental play, I'm assuming it's doable. Correct?
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Old 04-17-2007, 04:20 PM #4 (permalink)  
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This is such a load of rubbish. Easily and 2bb/100 don't belong in the same sentence when talking about any limit about 2/4... and I wouldn't say it of 2/4 or even 1/2.

This seems like an artificial way of making limit games more juicey: convince people it's where the easy money is.
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Old 04-17-2007, 05:03 PM #5 (permalink)  
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lol, yea IF you can win at 2bb/100 LONG tem then of course you will make more money... the keyword is IF, and honestly I don't even know if he is talking about FR...

Unless he is talking about playing 4 or more tables at 10/20 which hand averages are probably in the 80s per table per hour, where in SH they are coming at you at 90 up to 120+ an hour...

but in the since of winning 2bb/100 in the games now a days at limit is not as easy as it sounds at these levels... I have played the 10/20 FR game before at party when party was good and the games still blew ass... you could get the same amount of money out of playing the damn 3/6SH game...

I hope in some way it does help make games like they used to be but i don't think that's going to happen for a long while..
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 What about lower stakes for br builder? Can this be a good grinder or is NL a better method sine the current trend is NL and fish will be more plentiful there? Or will I end up poking my eyes out with a hot soldering iron?
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Old 04-17-2007, 05:48 PM #7 (permalink)  
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 I like that they make no mention of BR. Rilla's BR thread says 300BB, is this even good still? That would be a $12k roll. I would hope people who got there have some idea of what's profitable for them.

I also like how many times the editor added something to the article.
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Old 04-17-2007, 05:50 PM #8 (permalink)  
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bwwwaAAHAHAAAHAHA

Here's the summary of that article in one sentence:

Quadtable 10/20 and win.


This guy is fucking BRILLIANT! All I have to do to make money is win?! WHY DIDNT I THINK OF THAT?!?!?
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Old 04-17-2007, 05:56 PM #9 (permalink)  
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I like that they make no mention of BR. Rilla's BR thread says 300BB, is this even good still? That would be a $12k roll. I would hope people who got there have some idea of what's profitable for them.

I also like how many times the editor added something to the article.
For fullring? Maybe. I played the 6max games on party soo... 8 ish months ago and it was variance city. 500 minimum there, definitely. The lower stakes LHE games ARE getting looser as the sharks leave to NL waters, but I'm still not sure theyre worth playing without a change in the rake structure.
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 thx, sprayed, is the $5k a day for tournaments on the weekends also accurate? That seems really high.
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Old 04-17-2007, 06:34 PM #11 (permalink)  
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 I've only dipped into SH LHE for about 15k hands, but I think the bankroll requirement should be more like 500BBs than the "standard" 300BBs for full ring play. More hands per hour, way more marginal situations and a smaller winrate means needing a much bigger bankroll pad to survive the swings.
Some days it feels like I've been standing forever, waiting for the bank teller to return so I can cash in all these Sklansky Bucks.
 
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More hands per hour, way more marginal situations and a smaller winrate means needing a much bigger bankroll pad to survive the swings.
i don't know where you got the smaller winrate from. i've always gotten the impression that SH players make more $/hr than FR players.
 
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Old 04-17-2007, 07:32 PM #13 (permalink)  
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 1) Quad Table 10/20 FR
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3) Make 2 bb/100

Profit?

He sure makes it sound easy but its not THAT easy. Not anymore anyway.


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thx, sprayed, is the $5k a day for tournaments on the weekends also accurate? That seems really high.
Um, not for me. But I'm a donkey.
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well, if you're playing 10/20, and assuming you have a non-conservative 300BB bankroll, you got $12000.

with MTT, you need like...100 times the buyin. so you can afford $120 tournies, or $20 R&A, etc.

$5k a day is 42 donkaments at $120 a piece.

the answer is no. there are not that many tournaments. if you add all the tournaments >$50 from PS, FTP, PP, i don't think it would add up to 5k.

this guy is whack.
 
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Old 04-17-2007, 08:23 PM #16 (permalink)  
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 The risk of ruin for somoene diving into the SH 10/20 (I got slaughtered at 5/10 my first try) is fucking enormous. I hope people don't read this article and lose their 2k rolls because of this fucking idiot.
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The risk of ruin for somoene diving into the SH 10/20 (I got slaughtered at 5/10 my first try) is fucking enormous. I hope people don't read this article and lose their 2k rolls because of this fucking idiot.
hmmm, maybe this is a good time to play some limit games
 
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Old 04-17-2007, 11:26 PM #18 (permalink)  
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low limit games Eupho play a whole hell of a lot differently now then they used to... I was seeing lines at 0.25/0.50 6m i used to see playing 3/6 and 5/10 6m... I mean it's just a whole different best out there in limit waters anymore... I honestly would be very surprised to see someone hold a 2bb/100 win rate at limit anymore, it's not as easy as it sounds at all... I have noticed the best thing you can do is be rolled up for 3 different levels and look for the softest games across those 3 levels and chip away at it...

Personally I don't think the 300bb rule for FR and 500bb for 6m is all the great... i would rather be sitting on 1kbb at 6m and 500 at FR personally or more for that matter... variance is horrid still but it's a different variance... you get drawn out less sometimes but when you do you sure pay out the ass for it...

When we were playing at party 6m you would see variance over 1000s of hands because it was little shit adding up... as you got to 5/10 and 10/20 6m it was just more swings per session because of the pure aggression, but over long run it all evened out anyways... assuming you were playing well of course...

i hate to say it but the games are just not like that anymore... you have to seriously fish hunt over3 or 4 different levels and make sure you get good position at the table because it means so much more then it used to and before it meant a lot anyways... I have run my ass into a losing session at a table because I had a shitty seat, if i had a seat 2 to the left (putting the big dumb ass on my imitate left to my right) I started having a winning session... literally I moved 2 seats went from down a buy-in to up 1.5... When the guy left the table I left...

So in short here is my ideas on the games at limit anymore... if you are rolled for say 1/2...
1. Check 1/2, 0.5/1, 0.25/0.5 for bad players
2. GET POSITION ON THEM
3. Get your ass of the table when they bust or leave
4. be happy if you have a 1bb/100 win rate or higher…
Note on 4: this doesn’t mean over 1k hands either back when al of us were playing party 6m we would play that many in a single day…
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More hands per hour, way more marginal situations and a smaller winrate means needing a much bigger bankroll pad to survive the swings.
i don't know where you got the smaller winrate from. i've always gotten the impression that SH players make more $/hr than FR players.
That could be true, I haven't played enough to see for myself. I meant that 2BB/100 hands at those stakes is probably a bit of a stretch.
Some days it feels like I've been standing forever, waiting for the bank teller to return so I can cash in all these Sklansky Bucks.
 
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Old 04-18-2007, 06:57 AM #20 (permalink)  
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 The 1/2 game is still very beatable for 2bb/100. After that I found way too much good play. I was able to beat 2/4 for 1bb/100 over 30k hands which with rb+bonus was a nice sum. After that I played barely better than breakeven poker at 3/6 and got my ass owned at 5/10. I was like a 2bb/100 loser at 5/10 and felt I was playing well. RB+bonus couldn't even make up for it at all.

I still think about grinding 2/4 again. Running the math you can make some nice money winning 1bb/100 if you can 6table 6max playing like 900 hands/hr.

If you can play 200 mintues a day that 3k hands a day. That means you just won 30bb's which is $120 broken down to ~$35 an hour. Throw in a nice rakeback deal earning you $2 every 100 hands and you're making some good money grinding 2/4 limit.
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