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Fnord

08-03-2007, 08:13 AM Post subject: Brushing off the dust

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Brushing off the rust on my LHE given how good the live games are around here.

My opponents in this hand are just aweful.

PokerStars 2/4 Hold'em (7 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Preflop: Fnord is MP2 with J

, J

.
1 fold, MP1 calls, Fnord raises, CO calls, 2 folds, BB calls, MP1 calls.

Flop: (8.50 SB) T

, 3

, 5

(4 players)
BB checks, MP1 checks, Fnord bets, CO calls, BB calls, MP1 calls.

Turn: (6.25 BB) T

(4 players)
BB checks, MP1 checks, Fnord bets, CO calls, BB calls, MP1 calls.

River: (10.25 BB) 2

(4 players)
BB checks, MP1 checks, Fnord ???

Pre-flop sucks, I know. Pretend they're red and suited if you must.
UTG is loose and kinda retarded.

PokerStars 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Preflop: Fnord is SB with 5

, 4

. CO posts a blind of $3.
UTG calls, 4 folds, MP3 calls, CO (poster) checks, 1 fold, Fnord completes, BB raises, UTG calls, MP3 calls, CO calls, Fnord calls.

Flop: (10.50 SB) 5

, 2

(5 players)
Fnord checks, BB bets, UTG calls, MP3 folds, CO folds, Fnord raises, BB calls, UTG calls.

Turn: (8.25 BB) A

(3 players)
Fnord bets, BB folds, UTG raises, Fnord calls.

River: (12.25 BB) 7

(2 players)
Fnord bets, UTG raises, Fnord folds.

Final Pot: 14.25 BB

Too spewy?

PokerStars 3/6 Hold'em (10 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Preflop: Fnord is CO with 6

, K

.
3 folds, MP1 calls, 2 folds, Fnord raises, 1 fold, SB calls, 1 fold, MP1 calls.

Flop: (7 SB) 8

, 4

, 5

(3 players)
SB checks, MP1 checks, Fnord bets, SB calls, MP1 calls.

Turn: (5 BB) T

(3 players)
SB checks, MP1 checks, Fnord bets, SB calls, MP1 folds.

River: (7 BB) 2

(2 players)
SB checks, Fnord bets...

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Nehmer

08-03-2007, 03:11 PM

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Hand 1: I just go ahead and bet the river...If either of them had the T, they probably would have raised the turn or at least donked the river.

Hand 2: I don't really like any part of this hand. Specifically, I don't like the raise on the flop where it has no chance to limit the field, there is a decent chance you don't have the best hand, and pretty much every card that can come on the turn is a scare card. I also check-call the river.

Hand 3: I give up on the river. You aren't getting him off of any pair at this point and of his drawing hands that he would fold on the river, you might be surprised how many you still beat in a showdown(low heart draws or if he's a big enough idiot some inside straight draws like 79, Q6, etc). About the only hands a river bet gets rid of that have you beat are the A-high flush draw or maybe A6, A7.

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08-03-2007, 03:33 PM

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hand 1: cry and bet. you're really only worried about CO having a T, cuz BB and MP1 would raise the turn with one, unless they are REALLY nitty, in which case they wouldn't raise the river either.
hand 2: WTF?!?!?!?!? flop CR was horrible. don't like the river B/F either.
hand 3: WTF!?!?

KoRnholio

08-03-2007, 03:51 PM

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1. bet it, although I don't see how 3 people just called that turn card...

2. I dump this to the turn raise

3. Fold preflop? Probably spewy since it's extremely likely that he is going to call you down with any pair.

It's spots like #3 that caused me to suck in 6max and ultimately abandon it to concentrate on my NL game.

Some days it feels like I've been standing forever, waiting for the bank teller to return so I can cash in all these Sklansky Bucks.

dsaxton

08-03-2007, 05:24 PM

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First hand: Easy value bet. No one has a ten and they're paying you off with all kinds of crap.

Second hand: I usually just lead the flop. As played, folding to the turn raise like Kornholio said is probably best. You're drawing almost dead too often.

Third hand: I just fold preflop. As played preflop and on the flop, I would just give up and hope to draw out. You almost certainly have the worst hand and no one is folding.

Fnord

08-03-2007, 05:30 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by dsaxton

Second hand: I usually just lead the flop. As played, folding to the turn raise like Kornholio said is probably best. You're drawing almost dead too often.

Start discounting outs on the turn and putting him on a range, I think it's a call.

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TylerK

08-03-2007, 08:57 PM

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1: Easy bet. If you get raised you're probably toast but the pot is big enough to call to close the action.

2: I assume you planned to C/R a LP bet on the flop. I'd just lead out here, there's no reason to think that the poster in CO is any more likely to bet or raise than BB or UTG is. (You didn't say if UTG was aggro retarded or passive retarded.) I think you can probably drop it on the turn...you only have 2 clean outs. It's actually pretty close depending on how you count the rest of your outs, but most of your draws have reverse implied odds.

3: You definitely pick up the pot on the river enough to bet, looks fine to me.

TylerK: its just gambling if i want to worry about money i'll go to work lol

Fnord

08-03-2007, 09:02 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TylerK

I think you can probably drop it on the turn...you only have 2 clean outs. It's actually pretty close depending on how you count the rest of your outs, but most of your draws have reverse implied odds.

3 outs to nut-like hands. A ton of dirty outs and the pot is big at this point (LOL) with one street to go so reverse implied odds aren't much of a factor.

My plan on the flop was the check and hope to dump this turkey to a bet + raise. I don't think folding is the right play once it comes back to me, so I decided to raise and bet out most turns.

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DrivingDog

08-06-2007, 10:56 AM

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I'm afraid i have to agree with Hyper on these ones.

Hand 1 is fine. Bet river for value.

Hand 2: wtf? flop c/r is marginal, might win the pot betting out on the turn if the Ace clubs hadn't come. When he raises the turn he either has an Ace, a duck or a flush, depending on his raising range. He won't put you on a flush draw once you c/r the flop, so he's likely to raise any of those. c/c the river costs you the same as b/f and you don't risk folding to a donkraise from someone holding an Ace or trip ducks and no club.

Hand 3: wtf? raising a limper with K6s can't be +EV. once you bluff the flop and turn you might as well bluff the river.

"You can fool some of the people all of the time, and those are the ones you want to concentrate on." (George Bush).

Fnord

08-09-2007, 08:22 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by KoRnholio

It's spots like #3 that caused me to suck in 6max and ultimately abandon it to concentrate on my NL game.

I tend to have a stronger hand when I iso-raise limpers in 6 max because the distrust and aggression is so high. Full ring, they let you get away with murder because they're so used to running into hands.

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