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Old 03-16-2006, 07:23 PM     Post subject: Bottom set hand #1 (permalink)  
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Villain is 26/5/1.5 over 100 hands....

Game #1873138683: Hold'em FL ($2/$4) - 2006/03/14 - 10:52:23 (UK)
Table "Maroon" Seat 3 is the button.
Seat 1: coldfront ($86.70 in chips)
Seat 2: littlewoo ($122.20 in chips)
Seat 3: Wittmaaan ($234.88 in chips)
Seat 4: katebabe ($90.75 in chips)
Seat 5: Lohmann ($176.17 in chips)
Seat 6: furufu ($200 in chips)
Seat 7: -gademis- ($138 in chips)
Seat 8: hmmm ($185.75 in chips)
Seat 9: litavy ($124 in chips)
Seat 10: DAS9691 ($85.50 in chips)
katebabe: posts small blind $1
Lohmann: posts big blind $2
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to DAS9691 [7s 7d]
-gademis-: folds
hmmm: folds
litavy: folds
DAS9691: calls $2
coldfront: calls $2
littlewoo: calls $2
Wittmaaan: folds
katebabe: calls $1
Lohmann: checks
----- FLOP ----- [9h 8d 7h]
katebabe: bets $2
Lohmann: folds
DAS9691: raises $4
coldfront: folds
littlewoo: folds
katebabe: calls $2
----- TURN ----- [9h 8d 7h][3s]
katebabe: bets $4
DAS9691: ????

How do we proceed against this normally passive opponent ?
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Old 03-16-2006, 07:25 PM #2 (permalink)  
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Um, we raise.
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Old 03-16-2006, 07:33 PM #3 (permalink)  
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I'm raising this every time. You are probably ahead and if you do happen to be behind, you have lots of outs.
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Old 03-16-2006, 07:52 PM     Post subject: Re: Bottom set hand #4 (permalink)  
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Raise. Given the straight and flush draw, he probably assumed you were raising for a free card, and planned on donking on a safe turn card. My guess is he has top pair. It's also possible that he's donking with a straight or flush draw of his own, in which case raising still makes sense.
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Old 03-16-2006, 08:24 PM #5 (permalink)  
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I would say villain has TT.
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Old 03-16-2006, 08:25 PM #6 (permalink)  
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oh yeah, and we dont ever wanna see this again:

----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to DAS9691 [7s 7d]
-gademis-: folds
hmmm: folds
litavy: folds
DAS9691: calls $2

Raise that shit up.
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Old 03-16-2006, 08:27 PM #7 (permalink)  
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OK, I raised, he called. River was 2h and he bet again....
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Old 03-16-2006, 08:34 PM #8 (permalink)  
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OK, I raised, he called. River was 2h and he bet again....
Sounds like you can be pretty sure he hit his flush, but you are getting fairly good odds on a call and he might just be an idiot, so you gotta call him down. I'm definately not throwing out another raise here though.
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Old 03-16-2006, 08:50 PM #9 (permalink)  
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no way villain has a FD here. A FD doesnt donk the turn. Villain has top pair, or an overpair (I still vote TT)

Raise again. Trifecta baby.
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Old 03-16-2006, 10:14 PM #10 (permalink)  
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no way villain has a FD here. A FD doesnt donk the turn. Villain has top pair, or an overpair (I still vote TT)

Raise again. Trifecta baby.
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Old 03-16-2006, 10:42 PM #11 (permalink)  
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Not really. Just not the way a flush draw plays. Unless maybe its a flushdraw with a pair.. Theres a possibility. full ring I probably call.
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Old 03-17-2006, 11:39 AM #12 (permalink)  
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oh yeah, and we dont ever wanna see this again:

----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to DAS9691 [7s 7d]
-gademis-: folds
hmmm: folds
litavy: folds
DAS9691: calls $2

Raise that shit up.
euphoricism nailed it on the head, by not open raising I let villain limp in with 65 for the flopped straight.
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Old 03-17-2006, 05:05 PM #13 (permalink)  
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Im not sure if I like that raise preflop in a passive full ring game.
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Old 03-17-2006, 05:42 PM #14 (permalink)  
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Im not sure if I like that raise preflop in a passive full ring game.
I agree. Open limping is fine.


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Old 03-17-2006, 06:08 PM #15 (permalink)  
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Full ring I'm about 50/50 raising with 77. Theyre a little strong for a limp, but a little weak for a raise. Interesting.
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Old 03-17-2006, 06:09 PM #16 (permalink)  
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Its totally dependant on table texture, from this positon its really my only variable in deciding between raising and folding. Since everyone limps behind I am thinking calling was the right decision unless it was just a fluke.
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Old 03-19-2006, 09:52 PM #17 (permalink)  
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Its totally dependant on table texture, from this positon its really my only variable in deciding between raising and folding. Since everyone limps behind I am thinking calling was the right decision unless it was just a fluke.
From very early, I fold this. From this position I raise. Even in full ring, I think it is typically a mistake to open limp.
The hands that you are raising are hands that don't want limpers with sooted connectors and other speculative hands behind. (with the exception of AA-QQ and AK, which gain value with every extra player in the pot) by limping you are encouraging more players to enter the pot. If you do have a speculative hand, you want to limp behind other limpers. It is the money in the pot, and your position that give value to these hands. So you do not want to open-limp with a speculative hand, or a powerful hand. Therefore, open-limping is practically always incorrect.
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Old 03-19-2006, 11:03 PM #18 (permalink)  
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I will disagree. We want to be either HU or with a lot of players. Noting that this is a loose table, folding is impossible. For raising to be correct we need to be able to narrow the field to a HU situation, which is kind of impractical from MP1 at a loose table. On top of this we are OOP.
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