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TylerK
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06-09-2005, 04:39 AM
Post subject: Bottom set
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1st hand, no reads
Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (9 handed) converter
Preflop: Hero is BB with 7 , 7 .
UTG raises, 7 folds, Hero calls.
Flop: (4.33 SB) 7 , Q, A (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets, Hero raises, UTG 3-bets, Hero...?
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TylerK: its just gambling if i want to worry about money i'll go to work lol
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Fnord
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Cap and lead the turn.
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TylerK
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...Hero caps, UTG calls.
Turn: (6.16 BB) 6 (2 players)
Hero bets, UTG raises, Hero...?
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TylerK: its just gambling if i want to worry about money i'll go to work lol
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Fnord
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Originally Posted by TylerK
... Hero caps, UTG calls.
Turn: (6.16 BB) 6 (2 players)
Hero bets, UTG raises, Hero...? |
3-bets. Check/call the river if he caps.
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TylerK
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Originally Posted by Fnord
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Originally Posted by TylerK
... Hero caps, UTG calls.
Turn: (6.16 BB) 6 (2 players)
Hero bets, UTG raises, Hero...? |
3-bets. Check/call the river if he caps. |
Why?
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TylerK: its just gambling if i want to worry about money i'll go to work lol
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Fnord
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Board: As Qc 7c 6h
Dead:
equity (%) win (%) / tie (%)
Hand 1: 44.5455 % [ 00.45 00.00 ] { AA, QQ, AQs, AQo }
Hand 2: 55.4545 % [ 00.55 00.00 ] { 7s7h }
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TylerK
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Originally Posted by Fnord
Board: As Qc 7c 6h
Dead:
equity (%) win (%) / tie (%)
Hand 1: 44.5455 % [ 00.45 00.00 ] { AA, QQ, AQs, AQo }
Hand 2: 55.4545 % [ 00.55 00.00 ] { 7s7h }
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Ok, ok...maybe you ARE always right...
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TylerK: its just gambling if i want to worry about money i'll go to work lol
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Fnord
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Not really...
Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (10 handed) converter
Preflop: Fnord is MP1 with Q, K.
3 folds, Fnord raises, 1 fold, MP3 3-bets, 3 folds, BB calls, Fnord calls.
Flop: (9.33 SB) K , 8, K (3 players)
BB checks, Fnord checks, MP3 bets, BB calls, Fnord raises, MP3 3-bets, BB folds, Fnord caps, MP3 calls.
Turn: (9.16 BB) A (2 players)
Fnord bets, MP3 raises, Fnord 3-bets, MP3 caps, Fnord calls.
River: (17.16 BB) 3 (2 players)
Fnord bets, MP3 raises, Fnord calls.
Final Pot: 21.16 BB
Results:
Fnord has Qs Kc (three of a kind, kings).
MP3 has 2h 2c (two pair, kings and twos).
Outcome: Fnord wins 21.16 BB.
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Phyl
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Against most players I would cap the flop then bet/3-bet the turn.
But against a known passive player who wouldn't raise AQ on the turn if I capped the flop I think a better line is calling the flop 3-bet and check/raising the turn.
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RiverMonkey
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Originally Posted by Fnord
Board: As Qc 7c 6h
Dead:
equity (%) win (%) / tie (%)
Hand 1: 44.5455 % [ 00.45 00.00 ] { AA, QQ, AQs, AQo }
Hand 2: 55.4545 % [ 00.55 00.00 ] { 7s7h }
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This assumes your opponent is equally likely to have one of those hands in that range; a pretty good assumption really. If that range were wider or if you could assign a higher liklihood to AQx over AA and QQ (not exactly easy to do really) your edge would be larger. Is that difference even worth considering? (my guess is not really since you'd assign other hands much smaller probabilitites anyways).
Fnord, if you don't mind running the numbers: adding hands like Q7s and Q6s to that range, what does it do to the equity numbers, how dramatic a change is it?
What about on the flop adding hands like KQx, and QJs?
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Fnord
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Putting his hand against a very pessimistic range shows he's getting the best of it through the turn. Figure a real villian has something silly here maybe 5-10% of the time or throw in a flush draw as a reasonable holding and the turn becomes a clear 3-bet. Once we establish that, I don't see the point of tweeking with the numbers further.
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RiverMonkey
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Originally Posted by Fnord
Putting his hand against a very pessimistic range shows he's getting the best of it through the turn.
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That's all I really wanted to know. Thanks!
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chardrian
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How do you determine equity percentage?
Also I'm assuming you have a cute little website that does this for you - what is it?
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