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elipsesjeff

12-12-2004, 05:40 AM Post subject: Bluffing in LHE

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Don't say it can't be done, and you don't have to be in LP/Last to Act.

Texas Hold'em $2-$4 (real money), hand #495,433,892
Table Yunghu, 11 Dec 2004 3:13 PM ET

Seat 1: forgetten
Seat 3: k9doctor
Seat 4: destructo1
Seat 5: CodeRedRulez [ JD,KD ]
Seat 6: nsidestrate2
Seat 7: ddb182
Seat 8: jcsy
Seat 9: texasAUtiger
Seat 10: Greeneyes13
ANTES/BLINDS
texasAUtiger posts blind ($1), Greeneyes13 posts blind ($2), ddb182 posts blind ($2).

PRE-FLOP
forgetten folds, k9doctor folds, destructo1 folds, CodeRedRulez bets $4, nsidestrate2 folds, ddb182 calls $2, jcsy folds, texasAUtiger folds, Greeneyes13 folds.

FLOP [board cards 9C,2H,8D ]
CodeRedRulez checks, ddb182 bets $2, CodeRedRulez bets $4, ddb182 calls $2.

TURN [board cards 9C,2H,8D,6H ]
CodeRedRulez bets $4, ddb182 calls $4.

RIVER [board cards 9C,2H,8D,6H,AH ]
CodeRedRulez bets $4, ddb182 folds.

SHOWDOWN
CodeRedRulez wins $30.

SUMMARY
Dealer: jcsy
Pot: $31 | Rake: $1
forgetten loses $0
k9doctor loses $0
destructo1 loses $0
CodeRedRulez bets $16, collects $30, net $14
nsidestrate2 loses $0
ddb182 loses $12
jcsy loses $0
texasAUtiger loses $1
Greeneyes13 loses $2

This guy was a ROCK. He's under 10 VP$IP, with a PFR of 3.13.

I dont have any hands of him in PT however, he never won a hand. I won't be the last one to tell you I was a little nuts for bluffing this guy out, but I was fed up in getting dealt good hands and not seeing flops. So why not pretend like you're catching flops? This would only work though on a tight table with not too many Loopys in the hand. Called down by bottom pair by a Loopy is not very uncommon when reraised preflop, they assume you were bluffing. He also took a lot of time to call my raise on the flop and bet on the turn. Easy tell to think he has a marginal hand/low pair and doesnt want to risk the money.

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12-12-2004, 05:50 AM

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just another example...

Absolute Poker 1/2 Hold'em (5 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is MP with K

, A

.
1 fold, Hero raises, Button 3-bets, 2 folds, Hero caps, Button calls.

Flop: (9.50 SB) 9

, Q

, 6

(2 players)
Hero bets, Button calls.

Turn: (5.75 BB) 3

(2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets, Hero calls.

River: (7.75 BB) 9

(2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 8.75 BB
Main Pot: 7.75 BB, won by Button.
Pot 2: 1 BB, returned to Button.

Results in white below:
Button doesn't show.
Outcome: Button wins 8.75 BB.

hmmm maybe i shoulda made the crying call...9:1 odds. ah well very few players are capable of raising the river without better than top pair.

Fnord

12-12-2004, 06:13 AM

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5 handed I'm betting the turn and plan to go to showdown.

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12-12-2004, 06:28 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Fnord

5 handed I'm betting the turn and plan to go to showdown.

playing overcards seems to be one of my bigger weak points right now. if you bet out on the turn, and they raise do you fold?

if they call the turn bet, do you bet the river again?

if you bet the river, and they raise, do you make a crying call?

this is assuming a raggy flop, and blank turn and river cards.

Fnord

12-12-2004, 06:33 AM

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AK isn't typical over-cards. Worse hands will call you down often enough to take it to showdown. Position helps here though because it makes for an easier river decision.

Quote:

Originally Posted by hypermegachi

playing overcards seems to be one of my bigger weak points right now. if you bet out on the turn, and they raise do you fold?

Sometimes, depends on the opponent.

Quote:

Originally Posted by hypermegachi

if they call the turn bet, do you bet the river again?
if you bet the river, and they raise, do you make a crying call?

Against a passive/typical opponent bet and fold to a raise. Against an aggressive opponent check/call to draw a bluff.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBvge-c2_Xg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-Xz8aLuD7Y

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12-12-2004, 07:11 AM

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CARDSON

It's not bluffing when you have the best hand...

Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 5
Seat 1: SleEpLeSsSeA ( $212 )
Seat 3: nhoj007 ( $223 )
Seat 8: Fnord ( $407 )
Seat 5: geoffwwww ( $344.5 )
Seat 10: bfoss13 ( $100 )
nhoj007 posts small blind [$2].
geoffwwww posts big blind [$5].
bfoss13 posts big blind [$5].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Fnord [ Ks Ah ]
Fnord raises [$10].
bfoss13 folds.
SleEpLeSsSeA folds.
nhoj007 folds.
pokergirl50 has joined the table.
geoffwwww calls [$5].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 8s, 2d, 9d ]
geoffwwww checks.
Fnord bets [$5].
geoffwwww calls [$5].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 4c ]
geoffwwww checks.
Fnord bets [$10].
geoffwwww calls [$10].
** Dealing River ** [ 8h ]
geoffwwww checks.
Fnord checks.
geoffwwww shows [ 6c, 7d ] a pair of eights.
Fnord shows [ Ks, Ah ] a pair of eights.
Fnord wins $55 from the main pot with a pair of eights with ace kicker.

Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 3: dpackx21x ( $199.25 )
Seat 5: psmith3 ( $800.25 )
Seat 6: Fnord ( $543 )
Seat 10: drn314159265 ( $575 )
Seat 8: tricky21 ( $300 )
Seat 1: HMRUD ( $238 )
psmith3 posts small blind [$2].
Fnord posts big blind [$5].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Fnord [ Ks Ac ]
tricky21 folds.
drn314159265 folds.
HMRUD raises [$10].
dpackx21x folds.
psmith3 folds.
Fnord raises [$10].
HMRUD calls [$5].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 4h, Qc, Qs ]
Fnord bets [$5].
HMRUD calls [$5].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 3h ]
Fnord bets [$10].
HMRUD calls [$10].
** Dealing River ** [ 8d ]
Fnord bets [$10].
HMRUD calls [$10].
Fnord shows [ Ks, Ac ] a pair of queens.
HMRUD doesn't show [ Ad, Tc ] a pair of queens.
Fnord wins $80 from the main pot with a pair of queens with king kicker.

Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 1: sandman421 ( $545.5 )
Seat 5: Fnord ( $500 )
Seat 3: harpua3 ( $55 )
Seat 6: bartender2go ( $372 )
Seat 10: PBLaner ( $45 )
Seat 8: edlund05 ( $178 )
bartender2go posts small blind [$2].
edlund05 posts big blind [$5].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Fnord [ Ah Kc ]
PBLaner folds.
sandman421 folds.
harpua3 raises [$10].
Fnord raises [$15].
bartender2go folds.
edlund05 folds.
harpua3 raises [$10].
Fnord calls [$5].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 3h, 5h, 2d ]
harpua3 checks.
Fnord bets [$5].
harpua3 raises [$10].
Fnord calls [$5].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 9c ]
harpua3 bets [$10].
Fnord calls [$10].
** Dealing River ** [ 9s ]
harpua3 bets [$10].
Fnord calls [$10].
harpua3 shows [ Qc, 6s ] a pair of nines.
Fnord shows [ Ah, Kc ] a pair of nines.
Fnord wins $105 from the main pot with a pair of nines with ace kicker.
PBLaner has left the table.

Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 5
Seat 5: humdinger1 ( $514 )
Seat 6: yosh503 ( $409 )
Seat 8: roadbug ( $108.5 )
Seat 10: Newtser ( $211.5 )
Seat 3: Fnord ( $495 )
Newtser posts small blind [$2].
Fnord posts big blind [$5].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Fnord [ Kh As ]
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humdinger1 folds.
yosh503 folds.
roadbug calls [$5].
Newtser calls [$3].
Fnord raises [$5].
roadbug calls [$5].
Newtser calls [$5].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 5c, Qh, 4h ]
Newtser checks.
Fnord bets [$5].
roadbug calls [$5].
Newtser calls [$5].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 4c ]
Newtser checks.
Fnord bets [$10].
roadbug calls [$10].
Newtser folds.
** Dealing River ** [ 3s ]
Fnord checks.
roadbug checks.
Fnord shows [ Kh, As ] a pair of fours.
roadbug doesn't show [ 9h, Kc ] a pair of fours.
Fnord wins $63 from the main pot with a pair of fours with ace kicker.

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