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elipsesjeff
Old 07-25-2005, 09:41 PM     Post subject: Blind Stealing #1 (permalink)  
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 After looking at some blind play I've got to make a post on this. Whats suitable to play from the BB facing a steal? SB? How about stealing situations? In truthful, it depends on your opponents. In order to make your life a lot easier, I'm going to show everyone what some common blind defense and offense plays are as well as how to defend against them.

First off, the obvious blind steal:

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Preflop: Hero is CO with T, 9.
3 folds, Hero raises, 3 folds.

Final Pot: 1.83 BB

Results in white below:
No showdown. Hero wins 1.83 BB.

But, wheres the skill?

2) Against a Caller:

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Preflop: Hero is SB with 7, T.
7 folds. Hero Raises, BB calls.

Flop: J, K, J (2 players) Hero Bets.
BB folds.

Final Pot:

Results in white below:
No showdown.

Wow, still not that difficult.

3) When to Call Down against an aggressive player:

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Preflop: Hero is Button with T, 6.
1 fold, Hero raises, SB 3-bets, BB calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (9 SB) T, 2, J (3 players)
SB bets, BB folds, Hero raises, SB 3-bets, Hero calls.

Turn: (7.50 BB) 5 (2 players)
SB bets, Hero calls.

River: (9.50 BB) K (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: 9.50 BB

Results in white below:
Hero has Ts 6h (one pair, tens).
SB has 3c 3s (one pair, threes).
Outcome: Hero wins 9.50 BB.

Being too aggressive will hurt you.

4) Reads will work too:

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Preflop: Hero is Button with 5, Q.
Hero raises, SB calls, 1 fold.

Flop: (5 SB) 7, 6, 2 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, SB calls.

Turn: (3.50 BB) K (2 players)
SB bets, Hero raises, SB folds.

Final Pot: 6.50 BB

Results in white below:
No showdown. Hero wins 6.50 BB.

5) If you think your opponent will fold, pure aggression will win most pots, when they can't, hope to get lucky:

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Preflop: Hero is Button with 7, 6.
Hero raises, 1 fold, BB calls.

Flop: (4.66 SB) 4, 2, T (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BB calls.

Turn: (3.33 BB) 3 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BB calls.

River: (5.33 BB) 7 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BB calls.

Final Pot: 7.33 BB

Results in white below:
Hero has 7d 6d (one pair, sevens).
BB has Jd Kh (high card, king).
Outcome: Hero wins 7.33 BB.

6) The new kind of blind steal going around:

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Preflop: Hero is SB with K, 3.
8 folds, Hero limps, BB checks.

Flop: 9, 6, 2 (2 players) Hero Bets
BB folds.

Final Pot:

Results in white below:
No showdown.


7) When to fold using the same play:

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Preflop: Hero is SB with T, Q. MP posts a blind of $15.
1 fold, MP (poster) checks, 1 fold, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (3 SB) 4, 9, 5 (3 players)
Hero bets, BB folds, MP raises, Hero calls.

Turn: (3.50 BB) K (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 4.50 BB

Results in white below:
No showdown. MP wins 4.50 BB.


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Old 07-25-2005, 10:35 PM     Post subject: Re: Blind Stealing #2 (permalink)  
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6) The new kind of blind steal going around:

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Preflop: Hero is SB with K, 3.
8 folds, Hero limps, BB checks.

Flop: 9, 6, 2 (2 players) Hero Bets
BB folds.

Final Pot:

Results in white below:
No showdown.
I don't like this play at all...Way too often somebody limps in with a hand that I would have folded to a steal and lets me hit a flop and then take a lot more money from them....

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Preflop: Hero is BB with 4, 8.
SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (2 SB) 4, K, 9 (3 players)
SB bets, Hero raises, SB calls.

Turn: (3 BB) K (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, SB calls.

River: (5 BB) 4 (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, SB calls.

Final Pot: 7 BB

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Preflop: Hero is BB with 4, 6.
1 fold, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (2 SB) A, 4, 4 (2 players)
SB bets, Hero calls.

Turn: (2 BB) 2 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks.

River: (2 BB) 8 (2 players)
SB bets, Hero raises, SB folds.

Final Pot: 5 BB
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Old 07-25-2005, 10:37 PM #3 (permalink)  
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 i'm not saying I dont agree with you, but its very common 'out there.' I much prefer raising than limping in. Its also very common in the 2+2 circles...

Edit: You'll also be surprised at how successful it can be.


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Old 07-25-2005, 10:58 PM #4 (permalink)  
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its very common 'out there.'
I've been seeing this annoying play constantly lately. I thought there must have been a Card Player article on it or something.
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Old 07-26-2005, 05:43 AM #5 (permalink)  
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Ive been using that "new" steal a lot, and i didnt even know it was a trend.

I dont do it all the time, but once in a while to change things up. IMO used rarely its very effective, from what ive found far fewer players play back at you when you limp/steal. More often than not they give you credit for hitting part of the flop or even slowplaying a big hand and wont play back against your bet where as raising preflop may set of "steal" signals in their head and make them fiercely defend.

I dont do it often, but with the right frequency its a nice weapon in your blind stealing aresenal
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Old 07-26-2005, 01:37 PM #6 (permalink)  
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Yeah, it was effective against me until it started happening like 20 times a day. I've started trying it too- it's good against aggro blind defenders.
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Old 07-26-2005, 03:33 PM #7 (permalink)  
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 seems like a NL move adapted to limit games. when you're heads up, your opponent will miss the flop 2/3 of the time. so if you bet first, he ought to fold 2/3 of the time, making this a +EV move.
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Old 07-27-2005, 01:12 PM #8 (permalink)  
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funny...just the other night i got pwned when someone used this "new" blind steal tactic on me. the 2 times i played back he had a hand
 
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