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04-28-2006, 06:10 AM
Post subject: Blind Steal vs Chadrian
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I thought I would post this here for fun...
Party Poker 10/20 Hold'em (3 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from ***** Hand History for Game 4114536644 *****
$10/$20 Texas Hold'em - Thursday, April 27, 23:46:25 ET 2006
Table Table 95990 (Real Money)
Seat 6 is the button
Total number of players : 5
Seat 2: Redskins00 ( $558.50 )
Seat 3: charizard23 ( $420.51 )
Seat 4: HeliHo ( $227.14 )
Seat 6: KingCodeRed ( $673 )
Seat 5: Icecoldveins ( $140.50 )
Redskins00 posts small blind [$5].
charizard23 posts big blind [$10].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to KingCodeRed [ 8d 8h ]
KingCodeRed raises [$20].
Redskins00 folds.
charizard23 calls [$10].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 6s, 2d, 3d ]
charizard23 checks.
KingCodeRed bets [$10].
charizard23 raises [$20].
KingCodeRed calls [$10].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 5h ]
charizard23 bets [$20].
KingCodeRed calls [$20].
** Dealing River ** [ 9c ]
charizard23 bets [$20].
KingCodeRed raises [$40].
>You have options at Table 97444 Table!.
charizard23 calls [$20].
KingCodeRed shows [ 8d, 8h ] a pair of eights.
>You have options at Table 97444 Table!.
charizard23 doesn't show [ Ac, 3h ] a pair of threes.
KingCodeRed wins $204 from the main pot with a pair of eights.
/Ownzered.
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euphoricism
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Change the river to an Ace. You still raise?
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elipsesjeff
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Originally Posted by euphoricism
Change the river to an Ace. You still raise?
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probably, I figured he hit the flop and he doesn't know what i have and if I raised the turn he would have folded.
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Originally Posted by euphoricism
Change the river to an Ace. You still raise?
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well i mean i was watching the hand and i had chard on Ax... so i wouldn't think so...
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chardrian
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Lol - I remember that hand.
Well played you.
It was my first "real" day. And it went poorly. 2 sets on consecutive hands got flushed and then str8ed on turns and then I spewed a whole bunch of BigBets on a TPTK with AK and a top two pair hand horribly.
So I took a beating - the Party curse
Re - that hand. Against a steal I actually would reraise preflop there frequently. I didn't think you were stealing but also didnt think my A hi was the worst hand necessarily. In general, is it better to just call as I did preflop or throw in a raise?
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chardrian
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I rarely,if ever, get pms
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Did one of you invite me to some game last night?
It kept popping up and I didn't know who it was or how to get rid of it.
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I think it was fanatic telling you that it was me sitting to your right, do you have your chat turned off or something cuz I was trying to talk to you on the table. I would have stayed off your table but there kept being good open seats to your right .
Well, considering your line stunk of standard blind defense either way you would have played it. I would have capped you preflop had you 3-bet me and if you still checkraise me the line would stay the same.
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chardrian
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I stopped aying attention to chat earlier becuz their was some dildo bugging me, and it jsut felt like all the chat was "you have options at table xxx"
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Originally Posted by chardrian
I stopped aying attention to chat earlier becuz their was some dildo bugging me, and it jsut felt like all the chat was "you have options at table xxx"
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You can change that, lol.
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Also - the aggression factor at party or at least the few tables I've played at so far, are WAY more aggro than Dise.
I had one great opp on my right (who probably is the only reason I only lost like 25-30 BB rather than 50) who kept limping, and then when I'd raise and get 1 or 2 coldcallers he'd reraise with trash. So seeing capped preflop and flops was much much more common on Party than it is at Dise. Which also meant that I had to stick around with more marginal holdings than I'm used to since the pots got so damn big.
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Table selection and seat selection is king.
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I understand the premise. But now I need a database upon which to base those decisions. So at this point, it is still the choose the highest average pot table, see if I can sit to the left of the guys with less than $300 at those tables and go from there. I do like this PokerTracker thing tho. Once I get 10k hands I'll post and ask for help.
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Originally Posted by chardrian
I understand the premise. But now I need a database upon which to base those decisions. So at this point, it is still the choose the highest average pot table, see if I can sit to the left of the guys with less than $300 at those tables and go from there. I do like this PokerTracker thing tho. Once I get 10k hands I'll post and ask for help.
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Money flows around the table clockwise. So randomly position yourself to the left of the big stacks not the small ones. Also there are other options to table selection that you could look into.
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get those hands in pt then start making a buddy list
do we make the assumption that big stacks are the best players?
i sat behind someone sat at 5/10 on prima last nite with 2k and he was the most awful player/spewer ive ever played.
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Originally Posted by chardrian
Did one of you invite me to some game last night?
It kept popping up and I didn't know who it was or how to get rid of it.
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that was me just telling you that Jeff was at your table...
lol i think you can close the damn thing or hit regeat or something never had one sent to me... i'm always sending them...
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I am back to playing tonight.
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Ohhh man you SOO got "Jeffed" on that river BIG TIME....
I tell you he is more turned on by that line than hot nude chicks...
I know now your gonna say that you actually watched this Kingcodered player and nticed that he was a showdownmonkey anyways more often than not he brings a real hand..!!!
Heres your river line: bet (wich I don't like) get raised, take a look at your hand and notice that you have third pair by now. look at how the animation carachter on the Table with the name Kingcodered is having the time of his life. Let the time run out and emidiately afterwards you turn off your computer. Wait 20 seconds, turn it on and spend 30 minutes tangling with the handhistory. Post it in here showing it like you had the nuts and would have 3 bet that river right back at him and that you know that he would not have been able to fold it, but that you lost your connection.
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Ok heres some serious advice.
I can't reccomend playing Party 10/20 without some sort of table selection. You are very likely to end up in bad seats/tables and you don't have stats to tell you witch guys goes nuts with air and wich ones will valuebet your ass off.
PE is the answer IMO.
Second: Are you an expert when it comes to playing extremely shorthanded.?? A while back I was looking at other players handhistorys for fullring. every once in a while I would caught them playing below 6handed but they had no clue about what they where doing at all. They played as if the game was still full. Same thing goes for 6 handed games don't play once they break up. Also 3 handed will have so much more variance and I'd say 6max has enough already. I've looked at my stats and so far it seems that I'm doing significantly worse once the game gets 4handed or below. Stick with 5-6 handed and focus on this.
Also think about your game: I know everybody tells you to be tight and aggressive. Overall you should be just that, however do you really think that none of the oter styles has their own merits.? When the pot is small and your HU you can go passive against aggressive bluffing opponents. and against tags you gan use the laggy style and semibluff your draws. theres not only one way to play the hands it so so depends on the opponent.
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Originally Posted by StinkyBeaver
Ohhh man you SOO got "Jeffed" on that river BIG TIME....
I tell you he is more turned on by that line than hot nude chicks...
I know now your gonna say that you actually watched this Kingcodered player and nticed that he was a showdownmonkey  anyways more often than not he brings a real hand..!!!
Heres your river line: bet (wich I don't like) get raised, take a look at your hand and notice that you have third pair by now. look at how the animation carachter on the Table with the name Kingcodered is having the time of his life. Let the time run out and emidiately afterwards you turn off your computer. Wait 20 seconds, turn it on and spend 30 minutes tangling with the handhistory. Post it in here showing it like you had the nuts and would have 3 bet that river right back at him and that you know that he would not have been able to fold it, but that you lost your connection.
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Thats awesome.
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Originally Posted by StinkyBeaver
Ok heres some serious advice.
I can't reccomend playing Party 10/20 without some sort of table selection. You are very likely to end up in bad seats/tables and you don't have stats to tell you witch guys goes nuts with air and wich ones will valuebet your ass off.
PE is the answer IMO.
Second: Are you an expert when it comes to playing extremely shorthanded.?? A while back I was looking at other players handhistorys for fullring. every once in a while I would caught them playing below 6handed but they had no clue about what they where doing at all. They played as if the game was still full. Same thing goes for 6 handed games don't play once they break up. Also 3 handed will have so much more variance and I'd say 6max has enough already. I've looked at my stats and so far it seems that I'm doing significantly worse once the game gets 4handed or below. Stick with 5-6 handed and focus on this.
Also think about your game: I know everybody tells you to be tight and aggressive. Overall you should be just that, however do you really think that none of the oter styles has their own merits.? When the pot is small and your HU you can go passive against aggressive bluffing opponents. and against tags you gan use the laggy style and semibluff your draws. theres not only one way to play the hands it so so depends on the opponent.
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I am not a newbie to shorthanded limit poker. What I am is a newbie to PokerTracker.
I have been playing 5 max limit at Paradise and doing well (except for my tilt sessions) for a while now.
But I have been convinced that with PokerTracker and the more numerous amounts of tables at Party, that I'll do even better. I have soemthing of a PartyPoker jinx stuck in my brain that I need to get rid of.
I hope to put in close to 5k hands this week - I know that's still a small sample, but it's a start.
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go sit at 2/4 or 3/6 and play 30/20
then go back to 10/20 and associate how this style and tagg work.
this has helped my game a lot particulalry post flop (ty euph for your post on it)
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(ty euph for your post on it)
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I never get any recognition around here... I should start charging Eupho for taking my ideas.
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Originally Posted by Miffed22001
go sit at 2/4 or 3/6 and play 30/20
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30/20 = 30 vpip and 20 pfr?
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Originally Posted by Miffed22001
go sit at 2/4 or 3/6 and play 30/20
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30/20 = 30 vpip and 20 pfr?
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Yes
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sry jeff
apologies
post more, where i can see it too, so i know what im up against
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Originally Posted by Miffed22001
sry jeff
apologies
post more, where i can see it too, so i know what im up against 
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LOL, no, it was an AIM conversation with him; he just doesnt cite his sources.
And, I dont do it for the fame, just the recognition.
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Originally Posted by Miffed22001
go sit at 2/4 or 3/6 and play 30/20
then go back to 10/20 and associate how this style and tagg work.
this has helped my game a lot particulalry post flop (ty euph for your post on it)
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I am trying but I am stuck around 22/15 still.
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