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juke0414
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07-20-2005, 06:36 PM
Post subject: Blind play/ Dark betting
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Just wanted to see what you guys think about dark raising/betting/checking in LHE. I frequently (two or three times in a four hour session) use blind play in NLHE for completely different reasons, and have been testing it out in LHE. In the short while I've been playing around with dark play in specific situations, it certainly seems to change up the pace of the game and either invite raises or passify opponents. Just wanted to see what you guys think about the most effective situations (if at any,) to utilize this technique.
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pokerfanatic
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Play your hand dark all you want I’ll notice it and slam any hand that has a +EV to a random hand... If you want to gambol in the dark fine, I’ll make you pay big to do so if I have a hand... that's my opinion on the matter... Solid player WILL notice you are playing in the dark... dumb ones it might work...
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euphoricism
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I love when a guy in my NL homegame is playing in the dark. If i have any pair I'm all in.
If it were limit, I'd slam any +EV hand just like fanatic said.
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juke0414
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Maybe I should have been more specific. I didn't mean playing an entire hand in the dark to "psych out" your opponents, I meant dark betting the turn when you are first to act or something of the like. Not the whole hand, just one street, one play. The point is that people notice your dark bet/check/whatever and start thinking about why you would do that.
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euphoricism
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Im not following you then. How can you bet the turn in the dark, if you didn't play the flop in the dark?
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juke0414
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Say I make a "dark bet" when I am first to act on the flop, before the dealer has laid out the flop. Essentially, your opponents are faced with a bet, but it implies your hand was strong enough to bet regardless of the flop. Similarly, if I "blind check" the turn when I'm first to act, it means "I don't care what the turn card is, you act first." It's simply making a play for the next street before the dealer has dealt it.
EXAMPLE:
Preflop I find QQ in my pocket and raise with it, getting two callers.
I am in first position.
After the preflop pot is good to go, I announce, "I bet," and place a "blind" bet for the flop, before the dealer has laid the flop out. Now the person in second position is faced with a bet, but is also the first player to act who has seen the flop.
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euphoricism
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Ah ok. We had different definitions of a "dark bet". Not the same thing as "Betting in the dark"
Id say it SCREAMS bluff. Which is great when youve got rockets.
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Fnord
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by juke0414
The point is that people notice your dark bet/check/whatever and start thinking about why you would do that.
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Great reason not to do it. I like my opponents to laugh, drink and be merry. Thinking bad.
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TylerK
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by Fnord
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Originally Posted by juke0414
The point is that people notice your dark bet/check/whatever and start thinking about why you would do that.
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Great reason not to do it. I like my opponents to laugh, drink and be merry. Thinking bad. |
Now THERE'S a quote.
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TylerK: its just gambling if i want to worry about money i'll go to work lol
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juke0414
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Haha good point there fnord. But I still think it may serve a purpose in certain scenarios. Take this hand from my last home game. We were playing 3/6 with 8 solid players:
UTG limps. Everyone else folds to me. I'm in mid position with AA and raise. One player behind me calls, and UTG 3-Bets. "Awesome," I think, "he's on KK." I cap. Player behind me calls (sort of a loose player.) UTG calls. Flop comes TTJ rainbow. UTG leads out, I 2-bet, third player cold calls, UTG calls. So now I think UTG realizes he's up against AA and I think the player behind me is probably on KQs or something. Turn comes another J. UTG checks, I bet, third player 2-bets, UTG folds, I call. So now I think crap, maybe UTG wasn't on KK, but now I think third player has filled up. Now what? Well a value bet on the river would just be silly and obviously this pot is huge, so I have to call it down. But what if I hit my two-outer? He may well suspect my overpair based on my obvious play, and if a king, queen, or ace falls, he would certainly not raise my river bet.
This is where a blind check is useful. This player knows I am giving him the "I know I'm beat but I'm stuck" check, and will fire away regardless of the river. I will call him just like normal but on the off chance I river an ace, I get to checkraise.
Or take this scenario:
You are five handed with the "problem hand" KJo UTG (well, middle position five handed.) You open raise, and the button 3-bets. Everyone else folds. You are likely beat but are getting 6:1 odds to call and so you do, almost certain you need to hit a K or J to take the pot.
Here is where a blind check is useful. You can count on the raiser to autobet any flop if you blind check to him. If that flop happens to contain a K or J, you get to checkraise him for value. If he checks the flop you get a free card. The only way this play can be more unprofitable than the way you would normally play KJ is if you flop a J or K, the button checks behind you, and the turn makes the villians hand.
Anyways, this whole concept is a work in progress for me in limit play, so bear with my crazy rants.
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