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ArcticKnight
Old 07-01-2005, 08:04 PM     Post subject: Blackjack and holdem #1 (permalink)  
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I'm on vacation and went to a Casino to play some B and M holdem.

They only had 10max 2/4, and 5/10. I put my name on a 5/10 list and went to play BJ. May name was called two hours later......I didn't both going..

Anyway, it's quite a shock going back to blackjack after 1000's of hands of holde-em. Here is what I noticed.

1. I never had to question whether I made a bad decsion in BJ, because there are no decisions!!!! Well 13 against a dealer's 2.....maybe...but that's about it for 50/50 plays.

2. When I get 83os against a dealer's 5 I want to go all-in, and I can't (but I can double down, so I guess that's like raising)
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3. I now think it sucks when I bust with 6 of hearts, 9 of hearts, 8 of hearts, cause I flopped a flush.. I mean that should be worth something...lol

4. It's really weird when you get dealt two cards and they are BOTH the J of diamonds.

5. 74os is an awesome hand, but pocket 66s suck

6. It seems wrong to split pocket Aces

7. there are still morons who won't hit 16, who won't double down or split when they are supposed to, but still have the balls to say " if you hadn't hit your 15 against the dealer's 9, he would have busted."




bye for now, talk to you all in a couple of months.
Gone golfing ..see ya in the Fall of 2006
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Old 07-02-2005, 02:51 AM #2 (permalink)  
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Old 07-02-2005, 05:39 AM #3 (permalink)  
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The worst thing about blackjack are the players that think if someone else is playing bad, they will get bad cards.

I've gotten into heated debates about this too. Several of my friends honestly think when they lose it's OK to blame someone that hit on 17 and got a face card that would have busted the dealer.
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Old 07-03-2005, 09:20 AM #4 (permalink)  
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I do the same thing at my local B&M. When I first started gambling for more than change, I started at blackjack and learned the ropes there. I'm proficient enough at blackjack to carry a consistent win everytime I sit down at the table. Whenever I go to my B&M, I get on the list and build playing money with blackjack because I know I can do better at that than poker consistently.

I am a poker convert, but I will never swear off blackjack as it's more social. People aren't put on tilt for losing a hand. Plus it's your chance to attack the house when poker is guaranteed house advantage.

Here are some things I've noticed in my run:

1. I call for "runner runner" 10s against the dealer audibly.
2. People who should hit on 16 and don't have the audacity to say "i would've busted" even though they lose the hand because card order is thrown.
3. First hands after blackjack on the poker table make me feel that AK-AT are all equal value.
4. Looking at cards at just the corner seems immediately weird.
5. It's more fun when everyone on the table wins in blackjack. People start cheering and have a good time... There's only one person cheering in poker.
6. Any advice a blackjack player tells you is in your favor. Any advice a poker player tells you is to mislead you.
7. You still wanna beat up the person who plays like a jackass because he still costs you money.
8. Splitting 55 is like going all in with a full table with people who are likely to call.
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Old 07-03-2005, 10:07 AM #5 (permalink)  
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You still wanna beat up the person who plays like a jackass because he still costs you money.
Explain. How does someone playing like a jackass costs you money in poker or in blackjack?
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Old 07-03-2005, 10:17 AM #6 (permalink)  
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In blackjack, when someone someone splits or hits when they shouldn't taking the bust card.

In poker, the freak accident occurs when someone keeps playing bad and gets miracle draws when you have all your money in the center.
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Old 07-03-2005, 10:35 AM #7 (permalink)  
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mathematically, a bad blackjack player is as likely to help you as to hurt you i.e. hitting on a 15 v dealer 6 if he gets a 4 and the dealer busts, you win with a 17, as opposed to losing. people get upset, and feel that bad players take the dealer "bust" card, but the cards are random (unless you are counting cards.)

By the way, if anyone has any BJ questions, I am probably the guy to ask. I could play professionally easier than I could with poker. (its like the difference between checkers and chess)

and random useless info... a 4 card 16 is better to stay than hit v a dealer T. (still hit v a 7-9...

And Arctic, Thank you, this post made me LOL.
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Old 07-03-2005, 12:35 PM #8 (permalink)  
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In blackjack, when someone someone splits or hits when they shouldn't taking the bust card.

In poker, the freak accident occurs when someone keeps playing bad and gets miracle draws when you have all your money in the center.
Yeah but as Demiparadigm said this bad move should benefit the table as often as often as hurts it right? The dealer is still going to take a random card.

I see what you mean for poker but I was thinking more long term. In the long run bad poker players make you money and bad blackjack players should not impact your win/loss rate.
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Old 07-03-2005, 12:55 PM #9 (permalink)  
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My anger isn't long term anger... also short term :P
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Old 07-03-2005, 08:35 PM #10 (permalink)  
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In blackjack, when someone someone splits or hits when they shouldn't taking the bust card.

In poker, the freak accident occurs when someone keeps playing bad and gets miracle draws when you have all your money in the center.


you're the kind of blackjack player I'm talking about. The kind that thinks bad players make them lose as well. The "bad" player was just as likely to take a card the dealer needed as he was to take the card that would bust the dealer. What do you say when the idiot takes the low card and the dealer busts?

Also, by playing perfect blackjack (by the chart) and never changing your bet, you will lose money. The only way to consistantly win at blackjack is to change your bet when you think you have a better chance at winning (counting)
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