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Old 05-20-2005, 05:30 PM     Post subject: Big Aces and Kings - more from last night's 2/4 session #1 (permalink)  
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Culled out the more interesting hands from PT. A few of these have some very tough decisions. Hands 9 and 11 were the most challenging - I won one and lost the other.

1

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Preflop: Lonnie is MP with A, A.
UTG raises, Lonnie calls, 2 folds, BB calls.

Flop: (6.50 SB) 4, 3, J (3 players)
BB checks, UTG bets, Lonnie calls, BB folds.

Turn: (4.25 BB) J (2 players)
UTG bets, Lonnie raises, UTG calls.

River: (8.25 BB) 7 (2 players)
UTG checks, Lonnie bets, UTG calls.

Final Pot: 10.25 BB

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2

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Preflop: Lonnie is MP3 with A, K.
UTG calls, 3 folds, MP2 raises, Lonnie 3-bets, 4 folds, UTG folds, MP2 calls.

Flop: (8.50 SB) 2, 8, 7 (2 players)
MP2 bets, Lonnie raises, MP2 folds.

Final Pot: 5.75 BB

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3

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Preflop: Lonnie is CO with A, K.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, 3 folds, MP3 calls, Lonnie raises, 2 folds, BB calls, UTG+1 calls, MP3 calls.

Flop: (8.50 SB) 5, 6, 7 (4 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 checks, MP3 bets, Lonnie folds, BB folds, UTG+1 raises, MP3 calls.

Turn: (6.25 BB) K (2 players)
UTG+1 bets, MP3 calls.

River: (8.25 BB) 5 (2 players)
UTG+1 checks, MP3 bets, UTG+1 calls.

Final Pot: 10.25 BB

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4

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Preflop: Lonnie is CO with K, A.
UTG calls, 4 folds, Lonnie raises, 3 folds, UTG calls.

Flop: (5.50 SB) 6, 4, 3 (2 players)
UTG bets, Lonnie raises, UTG calls.

Turn: (4.75 BB) K (2 players)
UTG checks, Lonnie bets, UTG calls.

River: (6.75 BB) 8 (2 players)
UTG checks, Lonnie bets, UTG calls.

Final Pot: 8.75 BB

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5

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Preflop: Lonnie is BB with Q, A. MP2 posts a blind of $2.
4 folds, MP2 (poster) checks, 1 fold, Button calls, 1 fold, Lonnie checks.

Flop: (3.50 SB) K, J, K (4 players)
Lonnie checks, MP2 checks, Button checks.

Turn: (1.75 BB) A (4 players)
Lonnie bets, MP2 raises, Button folds, Lonnie calls.

River: (5.75 BB) 2 (3 players)
Lonnie checks, MP2 checks.

Final Pot: 5.75 BB

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6

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Preflop: Lonnie is MP3 with Q, A.
UTG raises, 4 folds, Lonnie 3-bets, 4 folds, UTG calls.

Flop: (7.50 SB) J, A, 4 (2 players)
UTG bets, Lonnie raises, UTG calls.

Turn: (5.75 BB) A (2 players)
UTG bets, Lonnie calls.

River: (7.75 BB) T (2 players)
UTG bets, Lonnie calls.

Final Pot: 9.75 BB

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7

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Preflop: Lonnie is UTG+1 with A, J.
1 fold, Lonnie raises, 7 folds, BB calls.

Flop: (4.50 SB) Q, 4, 9 (2 players)
BB checks, Lonnie bets, BB calls.

Turn: (3.25 BB) 7 (2 players)
BB checks, Lonnie bets, BB folds.

Final Pot: 4.25 BB

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8

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Preflop: Lonnie is CO with J, A. MP3 posts a blind of $2.
3 folds, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 (poster) checks, Lonnie raises, Button calls, 1 fold, BB calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls.

Flop: (12.50 SB) 3, 9, Q (6 players)
BB checks, MP1 checks, MP2 checks, MP3 checks, Lonnie checks, Button checks.

Turn: (6.25 BB) 9 (6 players)
BB checks, MP1 checks, MP2 checks, MP3 bets, Lonnie folds, Button folds, BB folds, MP1 calls, MP2 calls.

River: (9.25 BB) Q (3 players)
MP1 bets, MP2 folds, MP3 folds.

Final Pot: 10.25 BB

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9

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Preflop: Lonnie is UTG+1 with A, J.
1 fold, Lonnie raises, UTG+2 3-bets, 7 folds, Lonnie calls.

Flop: (7.50 SB) 2, K, A (2 players)
Lonnie bets, UTG+2 raises, Lonnie calls.

Turn: (5.75 BB) A (2 players)
Lonnie bets, UTG+2 raises, Lonnie calls.

River: (9.75 BB) 9 (2 players)
Lonnie checks, UTG+2 calls $2 (All-In), Lonnie calls.

Final Pot: 10.75 BB


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10

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Preflop: Lonnie is UTG+2 with Q, K.
2 folds, Lonnie raises, 5 folds, SB calls, 1 fold.

Flop: (5 SB) 7, 8, A (2 players)
SB checks, Lonnie bets, SB calls.

Turn: (3.50 BB) J (2 players)
SB checks, Lonnie checks.

River: (3.50 BB) A (2 players)
SB bets, Lonnie folds.

Final Pot: 4.50 BB

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11

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Preflop: Lonnie is UTG with K, Q.
Lonnie raises, UTG+1 calls, 4 folds, CO 3-bets, 3 folds, Lonnie calls, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: (10.50 SB) 8, K, 9 (3 players)
Lonnie bets, UTG+1 folds, CO calls.

Turn: (6.25 BB) K (2 players)
Lonnie bets, CO raises, Lonnie calls.

River: (10.25 BB) 5 (2 players)
Lonnie checks, CO bets, Lonnie calls.

Final Pot: 12.25 BB

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12

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Lonnie is SB with K, Q.
4 folds, MP3 raises, 1 fold, Button calls, 2 folds.

Flop: (5.50 SB) Q, 8, 8 (2 players)
MP3 bets, Button calls.

Turn: (3.75 BB) J (2 players)
MP3 bets, Button folds.

Final Pot: 4.75 BB

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Old 05-20-2005, 06:00 PM #2 (permalink)  
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1: not sure if I like this PF/Flop play (unless you HAVE to get this cute to get paid off then i probably wouldn't)

2: I like it (he probably put you on a pp TT or bettor)

3: I don’t mind this fold given the board hit 3flush AND 3stright, so you hand is pretty much dead in the water to the two heart over cards (leaving you with 4 outs assuming no one has the made hand)

4: looks as if UTG got cute limping/ calling with QJs or KQs maybe a small pp… so I think your raise on the flop and when he only called that looks like a flush draw to me or a small pp… You I think hit the winner on the turn…

5: Looks like a trap play, maybe call that raise and hope for that magical Ace… see what his river play is like? Not sure how you played it…

6: Why did you back down when the Ace hit the turn? Did you have UTG on AK? Any reads here, I think you need a read, other wise I think I would raise the turn to see what happens… might not be the smart play…

7: a lot of guys will blind defend with any two suited in that spot I don’t mind your play…

8: yikes ugly flop, I probably play it the same as you…

9: yikes, I have him on AK, AQ, or a pp bettor then QQ, I think I would have gone into check call after the raise on the turn like you did…

10: umm you raise UTG+2 and sb calls this probably going to be ATs or bettor?

11: I think raising UTG with KQo is a mistake, then when he 3 bets this sounds like AK or pp bigger then TT

12: I think I would call the raise out of the SB to see a flop… with KQo
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Old 05-20-2005, 06:09 PM #3 (permalink)  
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5: Looks like a trap play, maybe call that raise and hope for that magical Ace… see what his river play is like? Not sure how you played it…
Sorry, just fixed that history.

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6: Why did you back down when the Ace hit the turn? Did you have UTG on AK? Any reads here, I think you need a read, other wise I think I would raise the turn to see what happens… might not be the smart play…
This guy was a fairly solid player. Consider the fact that he PFR'd, which he hadn't been doing much of. Also given that he pulled a STOP-N-GO on the turn. Which big Ace hands can he have that I can beat? I posted the results to this hand in your 3 bet AQs thread. I NEED to use PT during game time. Badly.
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12: I think I would call the raise out of the SB to see a flop… with KQo
Yeh, probably. PT gametime makes this easier. I HATE playing this hand out of position against a raise. If only I knew how solid my opp was. I didn't so I let it go.

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11: I think raising UTG with KQo is a mistake, then when he 3 bets this sounds like AK or pp bigger then TT
It might be. The alternatives - mucking KQo and limping it are just as unattractive though. What do you do with it?
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Old 05-20-2005, 06:13 PM #4 (permalink)  
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It might be. The alternatives - mucking KQo and limping it are just as unattractive though. What do you do with it?
I think I would limp it, I like to see a flop if I can for a limp or maybe a 2 bet, you get 3 bet I think you know what to do with it... you are out of PO here, so you have to keep that into account when deciding how to play the KQo in EP IMO

5 edit: I like how you played it looks like he had the K but when he checked the river I think you had the hand won... he bought himself a free card maybe...

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Yeh, probably. PT gametime makes this easier. I HATE playing this hand out of position against a raise. If only I knew how solid my opp was. I didn't so I let it go.
I don't play without it PT/gametime+
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Old 05-20-2005, 06:24 PM #5 (permalink)  
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6: Why did you back down when the Ace hit the turn? Did you have UTG on AK? Any reads here, I think you need a read, other wise I think I would raise the turn to see what happens… might not be the smart play…
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This guy was a fairly solid player. Consider the fact that he PFR'd, which he hadn't been doing much of. Also given that he pulled a STOP-N-GO on the turn. Which big Ace hands can he have that I can beat? I posted the results to this hand in your 3 bet AQs thread. I NEED to use PT during game time. Badly.
Fanatic, thanks for your input. Can you touch on the comments above again? Which hands am I beating here that he 1. Raise PF with. and 2. Stop-n-go'd with on the turn.
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Old 05-20-2005, 06:37 PM #6 (permalink)  
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Sure hand 6 I was looking at and put him on an AK AQ or AJs maybe a pp over JJ he’s UTG, so I have to give him SOME credit given no reads at all… but when he just called this rules out QQ-AA unless he’s passive, maybe you can even rule out AKo here (depends on how spunky the player is he might cap with AK here) when that A hits the turn I think you might have the best hand (I need a read PT/gametime+ would help this hand a lot IMO) but the way it was played I might have raised the turn to see if he went into call mode, if he 3bets you know you need a Q… the raise on the turn might give you not only a value raise sometimes but it’s more for information, if his a tagg then UTG raising could be a lot of hands, could even be an ATs that he wanted to get cute with, given it’s 2/4 he might have thought he could have protected/ stole from EP with a variety of hands, if you don’t think a raise on the turn is the correct play, then a check call down is fine… This might be wrong advice but it’s one of those things that I’m just kind of thinking how I would play it with no reads and no PT stats…
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The stop and go is the most troublesome part of the hand for me. I think AT is the ONLY holding I'm ahead of. The J really screws the hand up. This is a case where yes, I have a great hand Trip A's with a Q kicker, but the range of hands any reasonable opponent has on the turn is usually going to beat me.
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Yes the stop in go makes me think that he either has AK, AQ, AJ but with absolutely no reads, and without PT it's a tough spot whether or not to raise the turn or call down... I guess the smart thing is to call down here, given that if he comes over the top you loose 2 extra bb (given you call the river and not fold)…
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Hand 1: 3-bet pre-flop.
Hand 2: Nice job pissing on the weak lead
Hand 3: Well played
Hand 4: Well played
Hand 5: Raise pre-flop, as played I would think about folding the turn.
Hand 6: Raise the turn.
Hand 7: Standard
Hand 8: Well played
Hand 9: Hmmmm... I would call the frop and c/r the turn or river.
Hand 10: Well played
Hand 11: c/r the frop, 3-bet the turn
Hand 12: Meh, I probably fold here too, depends on who's raising
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