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Fnord
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08-26-2007, 10:35 AM
Post subject: Bet this river?
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Tweedle-dee has some concept of pre-flop play, well at least I do see him folding a fair bit, yet I've seen him showdown some really absurd hands at times. Like cold calling 3 with K8s absurd. Anyway, he's a regular and tends to be straight-forward post-flop, but will put in a loose bet if it might win a pot.
Tweedle-LAgg has his heart in the right place. He'd be a medicore TAgg if he could learn to tighten up pre-flop a tad (including his raise range) and read hands a tad better. Been bitching about having difficult to play med/small pairs all day.
Anyway, 3 limpers including Tweedle-dee, Tweedle LAgg completes, I raise   and everyone calls.
Flop:   
Tweedle LAgg bets, I raise, Tweedle-dee calls, everyone else folds.
Turn: 
Tweedle LAgg checks, I bet, they call.
River: 
Tweedle LAgg checks, I check...
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DrivingDog
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I guess you're thinking TD's more likely to bet than call with a worse hand than KK here? Then c/c is my choice. It costs the same as b/f and gives you a chance to win an extra bet when you're ahead. You also get to see what TL does and if he raises a bet from TD then you can safely fold and save a bet.
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Fnord
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Originally Posted by DrivingDog
I guess you're thinking TD's more likely to bet than call with a worse hand than KK here?
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He will call here with one pair. That said, do we put him on one pair?
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dsaxton
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Probably just bet and fold to a raise.
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DrivingDog
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Originally Posted by Fnord
He will call here with one pair. That said, do we put him on one pair?
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Without knowing any more about your opponents i'd probably just go along with what dsaxton said and b/f .
If TD's just been calling the whole way then it's probably either 6x 5x or heart FD with or without a pair (maybe 4x if he's really bad)? So good enough chance you're ahead to b/f if it's just him you're worried about.
But what about TL? Is it safe to assume he'd bet out a straight or flush here, or would he c/r one or both of those? That's a big question. Is he capable of a bluff- c/r with a scary board on the river? Is he going to overcall with just a pair as well?
Finally, from what you said TD probably doesn't make it to this level, but what do you think TL thinks you have? If i were him on the turn i'd be thinking overpair or two big hearts, maybe even just two big cards. Does he think you're capable of firing the third barrell on busted draws or overcards on this river? Or does he think you're a c/c or c/f the river with non-made hands type of guy? If the former, you're more likely to get action you want from TL (overcalls, bluff-raises) on this river.
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TylerK
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No way I'm letting one pair show down for free.
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elipsesjeff
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given his flop bet, I put him on a draw of some kind. Two draws hit and one didn't so I dont see you missing any value by checking here. I'd hate to have to fold to the checkraise and if he shows us a hand like 97h then I'm not that disappointed.
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Fnord
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Originally Posted by elipsesjeff
given his flop bet, I put him on a draw of some kind. Two draws hit and one didn't so I dont see you missing any value by checking here. I'd hate to have to fold to the checkraise and if he shows us a hand like 97h then I'm not that disappointed.
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Given that you aren't giving me shit for not betting, I feel better.
BTW, Tweedle-Dee wasn't keen to show his cards, so I showed first. Tweedle LAgg had Q5. Not even sure if they were s00ted.
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daven
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With a board that scary I would check-call one bet and check fold if tweedle-1 bets and tweedle-2 check-raises. Maybe that's me being conservative, but a lot has you beaten here
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DrivingDog
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Originally Posted by Fnord
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Originally Posted by elipsesjeff
given his flop bet, I put him on a draw of some kind. Two draws hit and one didn't so I dont see you missing any value by checking here. I'd hate to have to fold to the checkraise and if he shows us a hand like 97h then I'm not that disappointed.
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Given that you aren't giving me shit for not betting, I feel better.
BTW, Tweedle-Dee wasn't keen to show his cards, so I showed first. Tweedle LAgg had Q5. Not even sure if they were s00ted. |
Yeah well it's a pretty tough spot where folding to a bluff-raise is the worst outcome, and c/c helps avoid that so i can see the sense in it.
But I am a bit curious as to why T-Lag bet into the pf raiser with his OESD. Does he really want to give you the chance to raise and knock out other players? If I'm him I check and let you c-bet, and if there's two or three callers I c/r, otherwise just call. Would anyone else bet into the pf raiser with a draw here?
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Fnord
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I'll post a hand where I did it for discussion. Very different texture though.
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