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elipsesjeff

11-13-2004, 12:02 AM Post subject: Best Played Hand of the Night

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Well, I dont know about the best, but something had to grab your attention!

Texas Hold'em $1-$2 (real money), hand #436,945,951
Table Chengdu, 12 Nov 2004 1:36 PM ET

Seat 1: Gilk44
Seat 2: Fraid Knot
Seat 3: opponent
Seat 4: mrbz
Seat 5: ALLUP
Seat 6: gawy1632
Seat 7: sildenafil
Seat 8: james182
Seat 9: CodeRedRulez [ JC,3C ]
Seat 10: akmethod
ANTES/BLINDS
james182 posts blind ($0.50), CodeRedRulez posts blind ($1).

PRE-FLOP
akmethod folds, Gilk44 folds, Fraid Knot folds, opponent folds, mrbz folds, ALLUP calls $1, gawy1632 calls $1, sildenafil folds, james182 folds, CodeRedRulez checks.

FLOP [board cards 7C,JS,5D ]
CodeRedRulez checks, ALLUP checks, gawy1632 bets $1, CodeRedRulez bets $2, ALLUP folds, gawy1632 calls $1.

TURN [board cards 7C,JS,5D,QD ]
CodeRedRulez bets $2, gawy1632 calls $2.

RIVER [board cards 7C,JS,5D,QD,6H ]
CodeRedRulez bets $2, gawy1632 calls $2.

SHOWDOWN
CodeRedRulez shows [ JC,3C ]
gawy1632 mucks cards
CodeRedRulez wins $14.75.

SUMMARY
Dealer: sildenafil
Pot: $15.50 | Rake: $0.75
Gilk44 loses $0
Fraid Knot loses $0
opponent loses $0
mrbz loses $0
ALLUP loses $1
gawy1632 loses $7
sildenafil loses $0
james182 loses $0.50
CodeRedRulez bets $7, collects $14.75, net $7.75
akmethod loses $0

I guarantee I wouldn't have played like this two weeks ago.
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ChezJ

11-15-2004, 08:25 PM

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yeah, check-raising with top pair, no kicker is something i would have considered insane before reading SSH last week. i wonder what the hell the other guy was betting with??

the other night i flopped second pair with 89o (yeah... i was on tilt) and failed to protect my hand after the guy before me bet out. the dude behind me called. we ended up checking to the river and i had to chop with the limper behind me who also had an 8 (board counterfeited our kickers). the first bettor had some kind of bizarre draw that missed. raising him would have let me scoop the whole pot.

when the guy to your right bets, raise or fold your pair. lesson learned!

ChezJ

lonnie

11-15-2004, 10:33 PM

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Good hand, although you had to think you were beat until the chips started sliding your way. I've tried that same no kicker play and gotten smoked quite a bit. Guess it's safer when you are talking about a pair of J's and not K's or A's

Good work. (since it won)

lonnie

11-15-2004, 10:39 PM

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Jef -
Thought a little more about this hand.

What do you do if you get reraised on the flop?

What do you do if you get raised on the turn?

What do you do if you get raised on the river?

Good concept hand. Now, if you would move to Party Poker, we would get to see what your opp had. (Not that it matters much)

EDIT: Thought of a few more Q's for you:

What if you and your opp's positions are reversed.

He bets into you on the turn. Now what?

Is this a better play to make in position or out of position? I like the raise on the flop, that seems good. But I would much rather have position on my opp and would like to see him check to me on the turn. Comments?

elipsesjeff

11-15-2004, 11:28 PM

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What do you do if you get reraised on the flop?

Well, there's really only three things to do: call, raise or fold (obviously).

Just calling would lead you to check/fold on the turn. Raising would be retarded, and folding would probably be the best thing to do. Since this is an uncoordinated board with little open ended straight possibilities, a raise would indicate TPTK, Two pair, or trips (to the average joe). I would prefer to be raised on the flop than the turn.

Good question, but I believe SSH says that its more profitable to protect your hand (check raising) and fold if re-raised than just check calling to the end.

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What do you do if you get raised on the turn?

I'm folding. Either the guy caught his draw or he's holding a Q. Not very many average to bad players will raise the turn unless they have the goods, in which case they can have the relatively small pot.

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What do you do if you get raised on the river?

I'm calling. I've invested money into this pot and too many times people miss with their draws and raise on the river to try and catch me bluffing. I'm making a crying calling to gain information.

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He bets into you on the turn. Now what?

Folding. If I raise on the flop and he cold-calls then bets on the turn, that means he's got something or trying to build the pot. Not worth the bets. If he checks to me I check to avoid the check raise and get a free card, unlikely he'll fold in a loose game. Then on the river if he bets I make a crying call to see what he's got, if he's a good player then I probably won't but with a bad player if they sense weakness they'll bet.

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Is this a better play to make in position or out of position?

You would like to have position on every hand you play. I'm in the blinds so its a free hand and i'm not normally playing this anywhere else. However I make this raise on the flop to protect my hand. Raising gives all the straight and flush draws -EV to call. Plus you never know the strength of your hand without raising. With more than one opponent cold-calling 2 bets on the flop the more i think about check/folding the turn. Its really hard to check-raise in late position because if you give an opponent a free card its -EV for you.

If i'm bet into I'm either raising or folding, can't just call down to the river you would be just like all those other fish hoping to snag a 3. I've done this multiple times with top pair with no kicker, and I have a relatively high success rate. I'm just as surprised to see it work so well. The ultimate goal is to fold out better hands than yours. This won't win every time but I bet it wins more than it loses.

I'm interested in what Fnord has to say (considering this post was ignored for a week I figured it would be lost among everything else). I encourage thoughts on what other people have to say.

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