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Muxy

08-14-2005, 10:29 AM Post subject: The best level to take the "plunge"

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I dont know if i spelt "Plunge" right but anywho.

After talking to rilla in vent about how he wants to learn limit. I find myself thinking the same thing. Currently I am grinding out the low limit sng's.

What is the best level to go into for limit. For someone going to learn the game and also try to make a decent profit

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08-14-2005, 10:36 AM

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You misspelled "anyhow"

Why not play some micro limits to test it out?

I recommend SSH

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08-14-2005, 10:38 AM

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I say Anywho. Noy anyhow.

No, cause that is just capping every street i rather take it serious and not just hope my hand holds into a 6 way 50+BB pot at .25/.50

I think .5/1 would be ok to start wouldnt it?

08-14-2005, 10:44 AM

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I don't know... I sat down at a 2/4c limit table. I got crap hands for 30 hands. I get something decent. I call. There are like 5 people in the pot. I get an inside straight draw and it's checked to me. I bet. EVERYONE FOLDS.
Yes, they thought I was uber-tight since I got J2o and other trash so many hands in a row.

Now think about it. I have TABLE IMAGE at PENNY TABLES. That's crazy.

I don't play anything higher than 15c/30c anyway because I don't have a roll...

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08-14-2005, 10:45 AM

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Meh I will grind it out to 300 and try it.

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08-14-2005, 02:15 PM

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the answer is clear. 5/10 (maybe 3/6 if you chicken out.)

Anywho >> anyhow.

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08-14-2005, 04:01 PM

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I started at .05/.10 and did the standard grind out 300bb and advance strategy. I learned a LOT, and people seem to assume the .05/.10 tables and below are "cap every street" poker -- they werent, in my experience. They were pretty loose, but insanely profitable. I went from .05/.10 to .5/1 in about a month.

That said, I'd start at .25/.50. Its a little fishy, but a great place to start to learn the game. I crushed .25/.50 much better than i beat .5/1. At .5/1, people know just enough to be suck out artists..

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08-14-2005, 04:34 PM

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The simple answer really is the highest level your bankroll can afford. But .5/1 is a good start.

I started at 5/10 cent and worked my way up to play .5/1. Yeah it's a lot of work and you realize you're only making pennies an hour, but the experience is good, and you will soon miss the fish at these low levels because with good play you can crush them.

The 1/2 cent madness was often "cap every street" but there were some tables that actually played it pretty straight. I stayed away from those.

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08-14-2005, 06:32 PM

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Play the highest level your bankroll will allow. There's no sense in grinding it out at .25/.50 if you can play 2/4 with players who are pretty much just as bad.

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08-14-2005, 06:45 PM

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Wow GL beating the 5/10 full game... the 3/6 full isn't much bettor... you need at least 300bb for the level of play you’re going to attempt...

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08-15-2005, 10:59 PM

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I wouldn't start at anything less than 1/2 if you have the roll for it (higher if you feel like it, and have the roll). There are still enough fish at this level that you can win easily (get paid to learn limit), and it's a lot more profitable than lower limits.

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08-15-2005, 11:43 PM

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Really? At UB the other day I sat down at a .25/.50 room where I was seeing the most flops at 26%....It was heinous. And people would instantly let go of their hands on the flop if they didn't hit, but check raise you out the ass if they did. The only way you could win a nice pot was to have someone make a second best hand. It was WAY WAY WAY to much thinking for .25/.50....where are these fish you speak of at $1/$2???? Take me to their leader!

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08-16-2005, 12:22 AM

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I think i read around here that .25/.50 UB is harder to beat than 2/4 PP.
I started liking limit after reading Sklansky & Malmuth and decided to give it a go after reading Lee Jones' book on low limit holdem.
Played about a hundred hands at micro limit, and just dived in at PP at 0.50/1. For the moment i'm doing pretty well for a limit newb.

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08-16-2005, 04:26 AM

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I would reccommend Party .5/1 to start unless you don't have the BR, then check out UB or Stars.
Once you establish consistent wins at .5/1, move up to 2/4 on Party as soon as you have the bankroll.
At 2/4, you want at least 10K hands with >2BB/100 before moving to 3/6. This is THE biggest jump in play you will make.
While playing 3/6, take some shots at the 5/10 6 max tables. You will lose. A lot. But then you will start winning.
Once you can beat Party 3/6 full AND 5/10 6max, you can probably beat most limit games.

Party 5/10 full is definitely beatable, and is by far my most profitable game right now, but it is a whole different world than .5/1 or 2/4.

EDIT: I intentionally left out 1/2. The rake is horrible, and the play is silly. This is where everyone who just learned how to slowplay and check raise is camping out. The play is not much better at 2/4, and you will make more.

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08-16-2005, 07:12 AM

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I would like to recommend all beginners to start at the 15/30 tables. All you really need is $300 and you'll do fine :lol. I see it everyday, it could happen to you too.

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08-16-2005, 01:58 PM

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A) AVOID MICRO UB TABLES.
B) I happen to like 1/2. The rake is evil, but the games tend to be soft, and the players are predictable. With rakeback, I'm making a tidy monthly profit. I imagine at 2/4 I'd lose a good chunk of my rakeback -- and I use rakeback to eat :]

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08-16-2005, 03:11 PM

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I can definately agree to stay away from any table at UB that is lower than 1/2. I'm not a real fan of 1/2 there either. If you BR for 2/4 or 3/6 I suggest the 6max or kill tables at UB. If you aren't willing to BR that at UB I suggest going somewhere else. Probably PP.

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08-16-2005, 03:22 PM

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Why is that? I've played over 5,000 hands at all UB limits up to .5/1

The lower you go, the easier they are to beat. But you're not exactly making much money playing 5/10 cent.

I wouldn't play party unless it's 2/4 or higher. In fact, I may switch over to party 2/4 when the ol bankroll reaches that level.

Any comments on UB 2/4 vs party 2/4 ? The rake is the same.

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08-16-2005, 03:28 PM

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I overall like the UB .25/.50 and .50/1 because usually there's a good mix of decent players and fishy players.

(I try to stay away from the total 100% maniac fish fest tables as the variance is a little high for my taste.)

But sometimes you'll stumble onto the twilight zone like I did the other night and get a table full of tight passives and tight aggressives....Seriously, about 4 of the people in my room were rated by poker tracker as "eagles"....generally go to the flop 3 handed. 5 handed was unusual. A game like that at the .25/.5o level is not worth it. I don't want to have to think too hard to outplay the competition at .25/.50, lol. I just moved to a different table though, and it was much better.

It's just stunning to find that good level of play at that low of stakes.

Is there any reason besides that why I should not play at UB? Is the rake higher or something? Or are there just easier pickings elsewhere?

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08-16-2005, 03:42 PM

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No, cause that is just capping every street i rather take it serious and not just hope my hand holds into a 6 way 50+BB pot at .25/.50

Then dont play 2/4 at party

If you have 300 start at .5/1 if you have 600 start at 1/2, if you have 1200 play 2/4.

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08-16-2005, 03:50 PM

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I overall like the UB .25/.50 and .50/1 because usually there's a good mix of decent players and fishy players.

Yes, this is what I have found as well. Even at .5/1 there are still plenty of fish, but there's also plenty of decent players you have to watch out for.

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(I try to stay away from the total 100% maniac fish fest tables as the variance is a little high for my taste.)

Yes, the variance is through the roof, but how often do you win a 50 BB pot at .5/1 ? If you play well, you can crush even the 1/2 cent. High variance does not matter as long as you have a good bankroll and make steady progress in the long run.

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aggressives....Seriously, about 4 of the people in my room were rated by poker tracker as "eagles"....generally go to the flop 3 handed. 5 handed was unusual. A game like that at the .25/.5o level is not worth it. I don't want to have to think too hard to outplay the competition at .25/.50, lol. I just moved to a different table though, and it was much better.

It's just stunning to find that good level of play at that low of stakes.

At UB 25/50 cent there were usually 1-2 TAG's at the table (not including me hehe) And they were pretty easy to spot, even without poker tracker because you start to recognize the same winning players every day. At .5/1 I've seen as many as 5 TAG's at the table. This is basically a game of stay away from eachother and pound the fish. Try to avoid games like this. You can almost always find a .5/1 table with only 2-3 TAG's.

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Is there any reason besides that why I should not play at UB? Is the rake higher or something? Or are there just easier pickings elsewhere?

I play UB for 2 reasons, I like the interface, and it has the lowest rake. 5% or less accross the board. For tournements it is 10% or less. no 20% $5+1's like party.

But everyone I've heard has said that UB is one of the toughest sites because the average player is better than on other sites. I think I've heard gamersgrid is even harder. A lot of people make a good point about UB though. You will find more fish at most other sites.

For me, all the other great things about UB outweigh the lower number of fish.

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08-16-2005, 08:11 PM

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Gamesgrid is even tighter than UB, but UB is tougher.
Gamesgrid is a bunch of weak/tight players bonus whoring and getting rakeback.
Also, understand 3-5 TAGs at a table at Party is unheard of until about 5/10, whereas it isn't too uncommon at .5/1 on UB.

The idea that you would get more rakeback at 1/2 is false. The rake will be higher at 2/4, but it is relatively less given the limits. Also understand that you will make more wit ha lower rake, even if you are getting rakeback, since rakeback is only a percentage of what you pay in rake.

Another thing that hasn't been brought up is bonus whoring. Bonuses wit hthe exception if UB and full tilt, tend to negate the rake pretty well. The cryptologic sites are a great place to get monthly bonuses and large rakeback deals.

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08-16-2005, 08:38 PM

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Also, understand 3-5 TAGs at a table at Party is unheard of until about 5/10, whereas it isn't too uncommon at .5/1 on UB.

3/6 full can get pretty TAggy/Rocky. It really depends on the day/time/table.

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