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Old 08-19-2005, 01:17 PM     Post subject: BB defense, minimum hand requirements #1 (permalink)  
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villian is solid 25/15, shorthanded table.

what are you minimum requirements against a raise coming from CO, Button, and SB positions?

unsuited A:
suited A:
unsuited K:
suited K:
unsuited Q:
suited Q:
suited connectors:
suited gappers:
unsuited connectors:
pocket pairs:

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here's what i think, see how on/off i am with you guys

CO, Button, SB respectively

unsuited A: A7, A5, all
suited A: all, all, all
unsuited K: KT, K9, K8
suited K: K8, K7, K6
unsuited Q: QT, Q9, Q8
suited Q: Q9, Q9, Q8
suited connectors: 87, 76, 76
suited gappers: T8, T8, T8
unsuited connectors: T9, 98, 98
unsuited gappers: QT, J9, J9
pocket pairs: 66, 66, 66
 
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Old 08-19-2005, 05:32 PM     Post subject: Re: BB defense, minimum hand requirements #2 (permalink)  
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Too tight (what else is new.)

unsuited A: A7, A5, all
suited A: all, all, all
unsuited K: KT, K9, all
suited K: K8, K7, all
unsuited Q: QT, Q9, all
suited Q: Q9, Q9, all
suited connectors: 76, 65, 54
suited gappers: T8, 97, 64
unsuited connectors: T9, 98, 76
unsuited gappers: QT, J9, 97
pocket pairs: all, all, all

One might argue that after the SB raises you should call with any 2 out of the BB. I probably call 80-90% agaisnt typical players.
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Old 08-19-2005, 05:49 PM #3 (permalink)  
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hmmmm....looks like i have lots of work to do. i knew my blind play was bad, not this bad...

what is your default strategy when...
you hit nothing?
you hit low pair?
you hit mid pair?
you hit high pair?
 
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Old 08-19-2005, 05:53 PM #4 (permalink)  
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Consider, that in a BB defense against the SB you have position and that tips you towards wanting to play any 2 you feel comfortable playing.

Without position...

Quote:
Originally Posted by hypermegachi
what is your default strategy when...
you hit nothing?
check/fold, sometimes check/raise

Quote:
Originally Posted by hypermegachi
you hit low pair?
check/raise

Quote:
Originally Posted by hypermegachi
you hit mid pair?
check/raise

Quote:
Originally Posted by hypermegachi
you hit high pair?
check/raise
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Old 08-19-2005, 09:18 PM #5 (permalink)  
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Great post and response.

My blind defense needs a lot of work and I am going to work on it with this post in front of me.

Do you reraise with each or call? Which ones?
"Don't judge a man until you have walked a mile in his shoes. Then you are a mile away, and have his shoes." - Anon.
 
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Great post and response.

My blind defense needs a lot of work and I am going to work on it with this post in front of me.

Do you reraise with each or call? Which ones?
what makes this subject so difficult to discuss is because usually there is no default play. everything is dependent on reads. that's why i stated against a solid player, what do you do, by default? if they were running bad and tilting, you don't care much if they are a solid player or not, because they will play differently.

however, i like fnord's BB defense. the check-raise makes other players fear auto betting the flop.
 
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Old 08-20-2005, 02:15 AM #7 (permalink)  
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I agree that there is not necessarily a "default" way to play, but my SB fold to steal percentage right now based on PT stats is about 90% . This post is a great place to start thinking about trying something different.

For example, with no reads, and suited connectors (ie,7,8s) in the SB, with this post I am inclined to now call, checkraise a hit or draw, but with A,xs reraise. Normally, I would fold without multiway action.
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I fold lots of stuff from my SB, particularly since I used to play a lot of 1/3 and 2/5 structure. Being out of position in a rag war sucks.
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Old 08-20-2005, 06:36 PM #9 (permalink)  
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Here are my first three blind defenses from last night keeping in mind this post. Hands 2&3 I usually would have folded, and likely #1. Luck smiled on me in these hands but it was nice to have them work out immediately.

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Preflop: Hero is SB with K, T.
1 fold, MP raises, 1 fold, Hero 3-bets, 1 fold, MP calls.

Flop: (7 SB) 8, J, K (3 players)
Hero bets, MP calls.

Turn: (4.50 BB) 2 (3 players)
Hero bets, MP calls.

River: (6.50 BB) 7 (3 players)
Hero bets, MP calls.

Final Pot: 8.50 BB

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Preflop: Hero is SB with T, Q.
6 folds, CO raises, 1 fold, Hero 3-bets, 1 fold, CO calls.

Flop: (7 SB) A, T, J (2 players)
Hero bets, CO raises, Hero calls.

Turn: (5.50 BB) Q (2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks.

River: (5.50 BB) 6 (2 players)
Hero bets, CO calls.

Final Pot: 7.50 BB
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Preflop: Hero is SB with J, T.
3 folds, CO raises, 1 fold, Hero calls, BB calls.

Flop: (6 SB) J, 3, T (3 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, CO bets, Hero raises, BB folds, CO 3-bets, Hero caps, CO calls.

Turn: (7 BB) J (2 players)
Hero bets, CO calls.

River: (9 BB) A (2 players)
Hero bets, CO raises, Hero 3-bets, CO caps, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 17 BB
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Old 08-20-2005, 06:41 PM #10 (permalink)  
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Old 08-20-2005, 07:05 PM #11 (permalink)  
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Got it, thanks 'rilla
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I've won a few situations where an ace high flop comes, I bet, he raises, and after I 3-bet, he folded....

I would only try that with a read, but against a tight player or a loose player, i'm check/folding more often.

Also a HUGE tip is if you're going to play from the SB/BB facing a loose raise, RE-RAISE. It'll save you from getting called down a lot. Plus it tells him "lay off my blinds bitch"
take your ego out of the equation and judge the situation dispassionately
 
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