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Old 06-15-2007, 03:44 AM     Post subject: BB/100 calculation please? #1 (permalink)  
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i need a spot of help here.

we all know that rakeback can make a slightly losing player a break-even player. in some cases, make them profitable.

my question is: How much does rakeback boost your effective BB/100? there has to be a way to figure it out, math wizards (not sarcasm). meaning, how much in losses do i need to, with rakeback, break even? i'm not a losing player (at least not for now...lol), but i wonder how far into the red i can go and still break even.

is it 1 BB/100, 2, more?

assume 30% rakeback.
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Old 06-15-2007, 04:55 AM #2 (permalink)  
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There is no way to determine that because it depends on the rake structure of the stakes you are playing at, if it is rake contributed vs total rake, how loose the game is, and various other factors. Your best bet is to just look at the total rake you have payed in poker tracker, take 30% of that and add it to your profit, then divide the total profit with rakeback by however many 100's of hands you have played to find the BB/100 with rakeback. Then the difference between the BB/100 with and without rakeback is how much rakeback adds.
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Old 06-15-2007, 04:57 PM #3 (permalink)  
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thats kind of the way i was thinking, too. i just wondered if anyone had any rough numbers that they had already figured for themselves.

i thought last night that a full BB is ludicrous. but maybe around .25-.5 BB's?

so, anyway, here we go with the math. (dont laugh at the sample size, i havent had rakeback for long)

30% RB .10/.20 level, for now...1144 hands @ 3.06 BB/100...$4.00 paid in rake X 30% = $1.20 i will get back.

i have won $6.99... +$1.20 RB = $8.19 total winnings.

$8.19 / .20 (1 BB) = 40.95 BBs won

40.95 / 11.44 (100's of hands) = 3.58 BB/100

3.58 - 3.06 = .52 BB/100 added due to RB?

does that look right?

not a bad guess up top.
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Old 06-15-2007, 05:23 PM #4 (permalink)  
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 I was typically gaining about 1bb/100 at 1/2 through rb/bonus which is just huge when you're trying to move up.

The calc is simple, calculate how much rb/bonus you cleared over 100 hands and divide that number by your big bet amount.
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The rakeback you will get paid is a percent of "MGR" especially if your rakeback is calculated using the "dealt" method and there are no deductions from your rake for bonueses, deposit fees etc.

In PT go to "game notes" and select " get all"

Look at the total MGR. Your rakeback will be a % of that number.

For me at 30% rakeback over my last 2000 hands at .5/1 limit 6max it worked out to be 1.8bb/100
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Old 07-05-2007, 05:17 AM #6 (permalink)  
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thanks for all the help, but my next question is: How accurate is PT?

it is showing me at $25 in MGR, but the site i get rb through is only giving me credit for $11.

i had another poster tell me somewhere that pt isnt that reliable. and it seems he may be right here.

unless, online rakeback is "rigged," too...
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Old 07-05-2007, 02:47 PM #7 (permalink)  
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thanks for all the help, but my next question is: How accurate is PT?

it is showing me at $25 in MGR, but the site i get rb through is only giving me credit for $11.

i had another poster tell me somewhere that pt isnt that reliable. and it seems he may be right here.

unless, online rakeback is "rigged," too...
As far as I could tell, PT was always 100% accurate back when I played on Party Poker and Fulltilt with rakeback. I now play on Stars and it appears to be at least very close to 100% accurate. I could easily see some of the smaller sites using a wierd rake format being less accurate. My guess for you being so far off though is that you aren't getting rakeback on exactly what you think you are. Meaning you earned a bonus where none of the rake counted while earning it or the site takes a certain percentage off the top before allowing any rakeback or your rakeback provider is trying to screw you or something along those lines.
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Old 07-05-2007, 04:18 PM #8 (permalink)  
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could be the latter.

i am told i get 30% of MGR, but after the "new" changes, it becomes more like 22%ish. there is some 22.5% fee the rb provider is being charged by the site. (ub and ap have the same structure apparently because i've heard this from other people as well as the site)

either way, it sucks. but, then again, its better than nothing. i plan to look into another site offering rb and see if they calculate it better. if so, its not that hard to set up yet another account at a site. i have a mom, wife, cousins...none of them play poker, and they all have different email addresses...lol.
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