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Old 02-08-2008, 02:08 AM     Post subject: bad turn 3bet? #1 (permalink)  
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no notes on villian, i know the general rule is a raise on the turn is 2 pair or better, and I have top two. Range wise 55+, QJ+, AQ, AJ, maybe even AT. Does this put me ahead and is are those numbers a fair assesment of his range? considering i have AK hes less likely to have AA, KK so the sets are less likely and i dont think hed call with 44. K4 and J4 are unlikely but KJ is definately in his range, since he comes to life when the A comes A4s is possible but less likely, AK, AJ possible. QT just got there as well.

I know were not folding this now, but is 3 betting this a leak? and for river plans if he calls b/c line and if he raises c/c line?

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Preflop: Hero is MP2 with A, K. UTG posts a blind of $0.25.
1 fold, MP1 calls, Hero raises, 1 fold, Button calls, 1 fold, UTG (poster) calls, MP1 calls.

Flop: (8.40 SB) J, K, 4 (5 players)
UTG checks, MP1 checks, Hero bets, Button calls, UTG folds, MP1 folds.

Turn: (5.20 BB) A (3 players)
Hero bets, Button raises, [color=#CC3333]Hero 3-bets......
1. Get a seat to their right
2. Steal blinds at will
3. ...
4. Profit
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Old 02-08-2008, 07:25 AM #2 (permalink)  
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Tough one. Button can see the board just as well as we can, and the only thing he raises here that we're beating is AJ, possibly KJ. So while top two is normally a very strong hand we have to be leery of QT or an oddly-played (no pf re-raise?) AA, KK, or JJ, maybe even 44. I probably just go into c/c mode after his turn raise.
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Old 02-08-2008, 07:39 AM #3 (permalink)  
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I don't think it's a bad 3-bet. But the river is where all this betting can become spewy.

Honestly, button cold calling 2 with QT is just so far fetched, JJ maaaaybe once in a long while, and 44 is pretty spewy too.

I honestly think you're ahead here so 3 bet away.
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Old 02-08-2008, 07:19 PM #4 (permalink)  
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Depends how good he is, and how passive. QT is unlikely but possible, more likely he has AJ, KJ or AT. Maybe AQ if he is weak preflop. Almost everyone knows to 3bet AK, AA, KK, so that isn't likely.

I call turn and bet call river UI. If a Q or T fall on the river then check and make a crying call.
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