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dvda
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05-03-2006, 05:51 PM
Post subject: Bad streak, variance, not good enough
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Join Date: Jan 2006
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I’ve just moved up to 1/2 limit with the 300BB bankroll, and I’m whoring on the iPoker network.
Right now I’m down 50BB, but I’ve lost around 100BB (I was up 30BB and also lost 20BB in bonus cash).
At what point is this more than just variance? And when should I drop down a level? The problem with dropping down a level is the bonus becomes near impossible to clear.
I don’t believe I’m being out played, except a lot of the players are slow playing their monster hands, and I keep running into them. And they are raising with all kinds of crap too, forcing me to fold decent AQ AJ KQ type hands.
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euphoricism
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Your place or my place
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down 50bb is nothing. down 100bb is just slightly more of nothing.
I would continue playing 1/2 until you drop to 300 bets for the lower level, IE .5/1 -- $300.
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LimpinAintEZ
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Flush
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: working myself up to FTR fullhouse status while not giving 1 solid piece of advice
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im far from an expert but i have played plenty of the low limit tables - What I find is that most of those players overvalue their cards - They treat K,9 like it's AA - They take an A,10 and bet all the way down w/out hitting a pair or draw - So first, I wouldn't be folding hands like AQ, AJ or KQ - I think in low limit you should try to see flops and then play from there - The money is made post-flop, not preflop - So if you have lots of players calling (like most low limit games i remember) limp in with the suited cards and hands like AJ etc. When you hit a flop then you make them pay. Be willing to call a raise with "marginal hands" that can make big flops - Like the suited J10's, KQ's even 10,9s (pay attention to who is doing the raising and figure out WHAT they raise with) - Also, low limit players are not usually tricky, so when they raise on the turn that is usually a sign of a strong hand (if you are up against a maniac though, it could mean anything - be more willing to call 1 player who is loose and crazy with your marginal hands)
If you have 300 BB's I don't think you need to move down - you are going to have swings in low limit games (unless you play like a rock). Keep your head up and stick to it -
My personal opinion is that it's tougher to beat the rake, than the players...That rake is a killer at anything less than 3/6 -
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outphase
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Full House
Join Date: Apr 2005
Posts: 949
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you don't 3bet AQ/KQ versus a loose raiser? I believe you should to get the most value out of them.
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Originally Posted by lambchopdc
Lets stop talking ABC poker and move on to D, E, and F.
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Shark Bait
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Flush
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 481
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Originally Posted by outphase
you don't 3bet AQ/KQ versus a loose raiser? I believe you should to get the most value out of them.
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That is one of the important things I have learned from here. If you have AQ, KQ, ATs or something similar and it's raised before you by a very loose raiser, do not be afraid to 3 bet it. I find that the loose raisers tend to slow down a lot when they get 3 bet, often folding on the flop. But even if they don't, you probably have them beat a majority of the time.
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<a500lbgorilla> Limit is poker with training wheels!
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dvda
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Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 76
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Down 95BB now. I can’t win a big hand to save my life.
Lose with trip Js A kicker to a full boat (KJ).
Lose again with trip Js, to a straight.
Lose big with QQ, BB called a 3 bet with 55 and hits a 5 on the flop.
Same donk with the 55s calls my QQ raise with Q9s, flop 998.
Wow, hit a Str8, lose to the bigger Str8.
UFB,
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outphase
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Full House
Join Date: Apr 2005
Posts: 949
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you gotta show some hand histories or else you're just spouting bad beat stories
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Originally Posted by lambchopdc
Lets stop talking ABC poker and move on to D, E, and F.
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dvda
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Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 76
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If somebody can show me how to insert an image in the post I’ll be able to post some hands histories. (iPoker network does not have text hand histories)
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thenonsequitur
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Full House
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Location: Location
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Originally Posted by dvda
UFB
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Sounds like you're tilting a bit. I'd recommend taking a day off from poker.
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Originally Posted by dvda
Down 95BB now
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You're down 95BB now, but the day after tomorrow you'll come back and be surprised to see that you're exactly even. Because everyone always is.
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saywhat2
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Straight
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 113
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I can share with you a little of my own experience. I just started playing fixed in December. I have been playing NL for years. And do very well at it. Well December and January where great. I was up over 600BB in 15,000 hands after the rake. My next 20,000 hands where hell. I had two 200BB down swings and two more 100BB down swings . RR flushes and things like that seemed to happen every time I had a hand. I made a few posts here I was told to hang in. Keep playing the same way I was and it would pass. Well it has, I came out of the 20,000 hand night mare down about 50BB and have played about 30,000 hands since than. And I am up around 400BB in the last 30,000 hands. You see I find this very different from Nl. No question here with fixed you have to let the Math catch up to you. The downswings seem longer and are more frustrating.
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dvda
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Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 76
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Originally Posted by thenonsequitur
I'd recommend taking a day off from poker.
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You are right. I’ll take a day off playing poker, but I’ll keep studying the good book SSH.
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Originally Posted by saywhat2
Well December and January where great. I was up over 600BB in 15,000 hands after the rake. My next 20,000 hands where hell. I had two 200BB down swings and two more 100BB down swings . RR flushes and things like that seemed to happen every time I had a hand. I made a few posts here I was told to hang in. Keep playing the same way I was and it would pass.
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I had been running too good to be true a few weeks back, then to just below break even the past two weeks, now to this. I see some of the mistakes I’ve been making and need to work on fixing these errors.
Thanks for the advice.
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saywhat2
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Straight
Join Date: Jan 2006
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Just my own opinion. I like the starting hands for SSH, But I feel some of there suggestions are to passive. I believe I have found a decent formula by mixing the strategy from the Limit section of Super system 2 and SSH. I find isolating a player preflop works well. Which is disccused in super system 2. I like the starting chart presented in SSH but some of the ways they suggest playing hands before and after the flop I am not to crazy about. To soft in my oppinion
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dvda
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Join Date: Jan 2006
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dvda
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Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 76
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http://www.uploadyourimages.com/view/186188hand01.jpg
Above is a hand history where I ran into a set. (Safe to look at)
Still cant figure out how to post an image.
been here but it does not work
http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/faq.php?mode=bbcode
I also made it thru the night without playing a hand of poker!!!
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midas06
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: NZ
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DickieBets
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Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Ontario
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midas, what program is that displaying the hand history - very nice !
Martin
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midas06
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: NZ
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That's dvda's hand history, and it's off CD Poker, from the iPoker network.
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outphase
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Full House
Join Date: Apr 2005
Posts: 949
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something about that set hand screams "you're beat" when a guy passively calls down a cap on the flop then check/raises the turn
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Originally Posted by lambchopdc
Lets stop talking ABC poker and move on to D, E, and F.
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dvda
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Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 76
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Originally Posted by outphase
something about that set hand screams "you're beat" when a guy passively calls down a cap on the flop then check/raises the turn
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Do I fold this hand on the turn to a check/raise? I don’t think I should fold every hand to the check/raise turn. I was hoping that bimjean was going to call the bet on the river so I could fold. So the river is a easy fold with the other player folding before me?
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Hazen
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Join Date: Aug 2005
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I have been going through the same thing. I have worked my way up to 1/2 and have done well, unti a few weeks ago. I can't seem to come out ahead in a session. I dropped about 100BB when I went back to .50/1. I then made back what I lost, so I went back to 1/2, to lose 50BB again. I don't think I'm playing any differant. My stats from pt shows about the same for each level. I have been losing a lot of the big pots to suckouts. I'm trying not to let it get to me. Just keep plugging along, it will turn around.
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