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drtofu66
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09-07-2005, 04:40 AM
Post subject: Bad slowplay?
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Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with J , A.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, Hero raises, 6 folds, BB calls, UTG+1 calls.
Flop: (6.50 SB) 4, 9, T (3 players)
BB bets, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls.
Turn: (4.75 BB) 6 (3 players)
BB bets, UTG+1 calls, Hero raises, BB calls, UTG+1 calls.
River: (10.75 BB) 9 (3 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 bets, Hero calls, BB folds.
Final Pot: 12.75 BB
Results in white below:
UTG+1 has 9d 6s (full house, nines full of sixes).
Hero has Js As (flush, ace high).
Outcome: UTG+1 wins 12.75 BB.
Should I raise the flop for value (and possibly shake one/both of them)? I probably still lose the hand as I don't think UTG+1 goes away for one more bet on the flop and with two pair on the turn he probably stays around for a look at the river (he was willing to limp in EP with 96o after all). Just wondering if I made a bad slowplay.
I'm sure this is a huge leak that I need to plug-- how should I be thinking through this one?
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Fnord
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Yes
BTW, I didn't even read the hand history.
PS: How you play this hand can't be a huge leak.
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TylerK
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Originally Posted by Fnord
PS: How you play this hand can't be a huge leak.
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...2UCY
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TylerK: its just gambling if i want to worry about money i'll go to work lol
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I'm raising the river. Sure, bad in this case, but you can't be a little pussy every time the board pairs.
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elipsesjeff
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Originally Posted by iopq
I'm raising the river. Sure, bad in this case, but you can't be a little pussy every time the board pairs.
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Definately, may even cap it.
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drtofu66
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Originally Posted by Fnord
Yes
BTW, I didn't even read the hand history.
PS: How you play this hand can't be a huge leak.
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Sorry if I'm being dense, but I'm not sure what you meant by not reading the hand history. Do you just mean don't slowplay a monster?
Tyler: 2UCY? Again, sorry for being stupid, but please explain.
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Fnord
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Originally Posted by drtofu66
Sorry if I'm being dense, but I'm not sure what you meant by not reading the hand history. Do you just mean don't slowplay a monster?
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Yes, DoUCY?
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drtofu66
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Originally Posted by Fnord
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Originally Posted by drtofu66
Sorry if I'm being dense, but I'm not sure what you meant by not reading the hand history. Do you just mean don't slowplay a monster?
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Yes, DoUCY? |
Ah! Thank you. The '2' threw me.
Yes, I think see why now that I think about it some more. If I'm wrong, please correct me but there was no reason not to raise because they would be unlikely to fold their hands for one more small bet being that they already bet into me and of course I had the nuts (at that point anyway). And of course I should have made their draws more expensive.
And this can't be much of a leak because of how rarely you flop a flush (118:1 if my chart is correct).
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Fnord
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The street you're most likely to induce a worse hand to play back at you on is the flop.
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TylerK
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Originally Posted by drtofu66
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Originally Posted by Fnord
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Originally Posted by drtofu66
Sorry if I'm being dense, but I'm not sure what you meant by not reading the hand history. Do you just mean don't slowplay a monster?
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Yes, DoUCY? |
Ah! Thank you. The '2' threw me. |
I thought it was clever. "Do" -> "Deux" -> 2...I dunno.
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TylerK: its just gambling if i want to worry about money i'll go to work lol
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drtofu66
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Originally Posted by elipsesjeff
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Originally Posted by iopq
I'm raising the river. Sure, bad in this case, but you can't be a little pussy every time the board pairs.
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Definately, may even cap it. |
I just figured the most likely hand at least one of these guys had was a set and UTG+1 immediately bet the river (while he took a long time to call my turn raise). Just a hunch (and the way my luck had been running). I figured it for one of those times where I'm only going to get called or reraised when I'm behind. One more bet didn't matter to me. If there were more than 2 other people in the pot I might have for value.
Probably overcautious, but I've gotta crawl before I run.
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