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WhooFleuryScores
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09-07-2005, 05:15 PM
Post subject: Bad raise on turn with Trip Jacks?
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Full House
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Massachusetts
Posts: 918
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http://www.pokerhand.org/index.php?p...ew&hand=121280
Bad raise on turn?
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Rondavu
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 3,053
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Nope. Good raise. Making draws pay here with very likely the best hand.
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It's not what's inside that counts. Have you seen what's inside?
Internal organs. And they're getting uglier by the minute.
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outphase
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Full House
Join Date: Apr 2005
Posts: 949
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check/raising the flop, on the other hand, was bad. You gave everyone 9:1 pot odds on the call... which in many cases makes a profitable draw. Lead the flop
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Originally Posted by lambchopdc
Lets stop talking ABC poker and move on to D, E, and F.
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dalecooper
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Sep 2004
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I'm confused, outphase. To me that seems like a fine approach to the hand. For one thing any good draw (the most obvious candidate here is the flush draw) doesn't need better than 6:1 anyway, which is what they're getting if you just bet out. So a good draw is already going to call. A bad draw (pocket pair draw to a boat, or a gutshot straight) is making a mistake even calling for 9:1. Also most of the time (2/3 of the time at least) the initial bet will come from a late position player, which means those middle position limpers will have to call two bets and not one after the raise - i.e. their pot odds actually get worse, not better, although the pot is larger. Finally, it seemed like trip jacks (assuming no one else has the jack) is a strong enough hand to do fine against most draws, anyway. You have a powerful redraw against a flush or straight. You only really fear a pocket pair drawing a boat against you, and anyone calling any bets with a middle or low pair on that board is, uh, not that smart, and clearly making a mistake pot odds-wise.
I agree with rondavu that the turn raise is good - in fact almost mandatory. After that a check/call on the river is fine. You're probably losing but you have to make that first raise for value.
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