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Old 05-27-2005, 11:52 PM     Post subject: Bad Luck or Bad Play? #1 (permalink)  
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2 tabling it at Empire

Hand 1

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Preflop: Hero is MP with J, A.
UTG calls, Hero calls, CO calls, 1 fold, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (5 SB) 7, 4, T [color:=0000FF](5 players)[/color]
SB checks, BB bets, UTG raises, Hero calls, CO folds, SB folds, BB calls.

Turn: (5.50 BB) 2 (3 players)
BB checks, UTG bets, Hero calls, BB folds.

River: (7.50 BB) 9 (2 players)
UTG bets, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 8.50 BB

Results in white below:
UTG doesn't show.
Outcome: UTG wins 8.50 BB.

Do I reraise UTG on the flop here or call and hope others come along for the ride?

Hand 2

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Preflop: Hero is MP with J, A.
UTG calls, Hero calls, 2 folds, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (4 SB) Q, K, 8 (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG bets, Hero folds, SB folds, BB folds.

Final Pot: 2.50 BB

Results in white below:
No showdown. UTG wins 2.50 BB.

Raise, call or fold preflop?

Hand 3

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with J, 9. MP3 posts a blind of $3. CO posts a blind of $3.
UTG calls, Hero calls, 1 fold, MP2 raises, MP3 (poster) calls, 4 folds, UTG calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (10.33 SB) 6, 7, 4 (4 players)
UTG bets, Hero raises, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, UTG calls.

Turn: (9.16 BB) 4 (4 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks, MP2 bets, MP3 raises, UTG calls, Hero calls, MP2 calls.

River: (17.16 BB) 8 (4 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks, MP2 checks, MP3 bets, UTG calls, Hero folds, MP2 calls.

Final Pot: 20.16 BB

Results in white below:
UTG has 6s As (two pair, sixes and fours).
MP2 has 3d 4c (three of a kind, fours).
MP3 has 5d 5c (straight, eight high).
Outcome: MP3 wins 20.16 BB.

Hand 4

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Preflop: Hero is BB with A, J.
2 folds, CO calls, 2 folds, Hero raises, CO calls.

Flop: (4.33 SB) 8, 9, 2 (2 players)
Hero bets, CO raises, Hero calls.

Turn: (4.16 BB) Q (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets, Hero calls.

River: (6.16 BB) K (2 players)
Hero bets, [color:#CC3333]CO raises[/color], Hero 3-bets, CO calls.

Final Pot: 12.16 BB

Results in white below:
Hero has Ac Jd (flush, ace high).
CO has 5h Ah (high card, ace).
Outcome: Hero wins 12.16 BB.

Hand 5

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with K, A. CO posts a blind of $3.
2 folds, Hero raises, MP2 calls, 1 fold, CO (poster) calls, 3 folds.

Flop: (7.33 SB) K, 3, T (3 players)
Hero bets, MP2 calls, CO raises, Hero 3-bets, MP2 folds, CO caps, Hero calls.

Turn: (8.16 BB) 9 (2 players)
Hero bets, CO raises, Hero calls.

River: (12.16 BB) 2 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 14.16 BB

Results in white below:
Hero has Kd Ad (one pair, kings).
CO has Tc Kh (two pair, kings and tens).
Outcome: CO wins 14.16 BB.

Hand 6

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Preflop: Hero is MP3 with 8, 8.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, 2 folds, Hero raises, CO calls, 2 folds, BB calls, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: (8.33 SB) T, K, Q (4 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero checks, CO bets, BB calls, UTG+1 calls, Hero folds.

Turn: (5.66 BB) 3 (3 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 checks, CO bets, BB calls, UTG+1 folds.

River: (7.66 BB) 3 (2 players)
BB checks, CO checks.

Final Pot: 7.66 BB

Results in white below:
BB has Jd Qs (two pair, queens and threes).
CO has Kh Tc (two pair, kings and tens).
Outcome: CO wins 7.66 BB.

Hand 7

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with 9, 9.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, 1 fold, Hero raises, 5 folds, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: (5.33 SB) 6, 3, A (2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets, UTG+1 calls.

Turn: (3.66 BB) 3 (2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets, UTG+1 calls.

River: (5.66 BB) A (2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets, UTG+1 raises, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 8.66 BB

Results in white below:
UTG+1 doesn't show.
Outcome: UTG+1 wins 8.66 BB.

This guy had called me down with 27suited before so when the second Ace came I thought I had him. I wish I had called now (pretty sure he had an A low kicker, but just to see if my read is right).

Hand 8

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Preflop: Hero is UTG with K, Q.
Hero raises, 5 folds, Button calls, 2 folds.

Flop: (5.33 SB) 7, Q, K (2 players)
Hero bets, Button calls.

Turn: (3.66 BB) 7 (2 players)
Hero bets, Button calls.

River: (5.66 BB) 8 (2 players)
Hero bets, Button raises, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 9.66 BB

Results in white below:
Hero has Ks Qc (two pair, kings and queens).
Button has 9h Jh (flush, queen high).
Outcome: Button wins 9.66 BB.

Hand 9

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is SB with J, J.
3 folds, MP2 calls, 3 folds, Hero raises, 1 fold, MP2 calls.

Flop: (5 SB) 7, 5, 6 (2 players)
Hero bets, MP2 calls.

Turn: (3.50 BB) 2 (2 players)
Hero bets, MP2 raises, Hero calls.

River: (7.50 BB) J (2 players)
Hero bets, MP2 raises, Hero 3-bets, MP2 caps, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 15.50 BB

Results in white below:
Hero has Js Jc (three of a kind, jacks).
MP2 has 9c 8c (straight, nine high).
Outcome: MP2 wins 15.50 BB.

Can you say tilt??

Hand 10

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (7 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is SB with K, A. CO posts a blind of $3.
UTG raises, 4 folds, Hero 3-bets, 1 fold, UTG calls.

Flop: (8 SB) 7, T, K (2 players)
Hero bets, UTG calls.

Turn: (5 BB) 3 (2 players)
Hero bets, UTG raises, Hero 3-bets, UTG caps, Hero calls.

River: (13 BB) 4 (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 15 BB

Results in white below:
Hero has Kh As (one pair, kings).
UTG has Ts Td (three of a kind, tens).
Outcome: UTG wins 15 BB.

And that was that. I know I reverted back to my major leak of not being able to fold the turn. But a little more insight would be appreciated. Thanks.
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Old 05-28-2005, 02:22 AM #2 (permalink)  
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Hand 1: You have the odds to call. You've got 4 to the nut flush on the flop, need 2:1 to call. Same on the river, you need 5:1 and you've got it. I dont see much wrong.

Hand 2: Raise preflop. But yes, the fold is correct here. You need 5:1 to call, you don't have it, and he 10 may already have that 10 youd need. Standard.

Hand 3: I dont like the re-raise on the flop. You want as many people as possible in the hand if you're going for your flush, and a reraise could have knocked some people out. Surprised it didn't... Id call here, you're getting great odds even if you're not drawing to the nuts. Rest is standard.

Hand 4: Without any reads, this is suicide. I hope you knew that CO was full of shit. I don't really like any of that.

Hand 5: I dont think I would have 3-bet there. The way this guy has played (hand 4) you could even put him on K3. Especially on the turn. I don't like leading the turn after he's capped you. At this point, he's driving.

Hand 6: Standard.

Hand 7: Standard.

Hand 8: Standard.

Hand 9: Sucks, take your medicine. You could make a case for not betting that river, but shit, a set beats AA, KK, QQ, etc etc. I think it'd play out the same for everyone.

Hand 10: Bad beatish. Suck it up. I wouldn't 3-bet turn again.
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Old 05-28-2005, 02:22 AM #3 (permalink)  
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Hand 1 - looks fine
Hand 2 - Raise PF and follow the flop...Play this hand with some balls
Hand 3 - Fold PF. FLOP Dont jam flush draws when it's not to the nuts
Hand 4 - looks g00t
Hand 5 - Call the flop cap and then pick a turn line if unimproved. I think I check/call the turn with the added flush draw. Check/fold river unimproved.
Hand 6 - Standard
Hand 7 - check the river
Hand 8 - Standard
Hand 9 - What did you think he was holding? check/call !!!!
Hand 10 - Yes I can say TILT...terrible luck...Just watch out when people go psycho on a rag turn. call the raise. good river.
Superb play sir...I always call 20% of my stack off with a gutshot draw. Excuse me while I race for my wallet.
 
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Old 05-28-2005, 02:51 AM #4 (permalink)  
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Yeah youre right. Hand 7, check that river. But I think that might be hindsight.
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Old 05-28-2005, 02:54 AM #5 (permalink)  
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Checking the river is easy when I have top pair against an aggressor who went aggro on a rag...I have showdown value. I'm assuming he picked up a rag 2pair until he shows me otherwise and I want to show him my hand here.
Superb play sir...I always call 20% of my stack off with a gutshot draw. Excuse me while I race for my wallet.
 
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Old 05-28-2005, 03:01 AM #6 (permalink)  
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hand 7 the aggro never went aggressive until river. I think he played it really the only way he could. I might have even called that raise.
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Old 05-28-2005, 03:04 AM #7 (permalink)  
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My bad wrong hand...i thought it was the AK hand...whoops

Still...easy check
Superb play sir...I always call 20% of my stack off with a gutshot draw. Excuse me while I race for my wallet.
 
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Old 05-28-2005, 07:43 AM #8 (permalink)  
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Hand 1 - Raise preflop! You have an opportunity to buy the button with a raise, and probably have the best hand. Flush draws play so great from the button and the pot is juicy if you score a club.

Hand 2 - Raise preflop. AJs from MP is definitely a raise.

Hand 3 - I'd call on the flop. Raising can shut out the customers behind you. Raising the flush draw is much better from the back when you know you have them trapped for one more bet - and you know they will check to you on the turn. I've been checking and calling my flush draws from the front lately, especially the non-nut ones. You can even consider smooth calling when the flush hits to get overcalls from those guys.

Hand 4 - Looks good. You pick up the gutshot and the nut flush draw on the turn. 3 A outs might be good too.

Hand 5 - perfect.

Hand 6 - Thin raise PF with a caller in front of you already IMO. Others will differ I'm sure. Sucks that the CO cold called it. You didn't even get to buy the button. Good fold on the flop.

Hand 7 - I'd check the river. Looks good otherwise.

Hand 8 - Looks good. I've been getting burned raising with KQo UTG, but I still do it. Thinking about limping it UTG half the time and raising it the other half to mix things up some.

Hand 9 - Just call the river raise.

Hand 10 - Call the turn raise and check/call the river. IMO - making it 3 bets with nothing but a pair is bad business.
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Old 05-28-2005, 04:31 PM #9 (permalink)  
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thanks for the comments. I thought I had just patched up my getting killed with AK, AA, KK leak, but apparently not. After missing bets the day before, I really wanted to maximize my bets - only to get a little aggro/stupid with good, but not nuts hands.

After winning 60 BB in like 2 hours, I have just flushed about 90 BB down the drain. Bad beats but bad bets too. Oh well. A little break and then I'm back at it. The downslides suck tho.
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