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R3N3G4D3
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10-12-2005, 04:29 AM
Post subject: Bad fold?
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Join Date: Jul 2005
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I can't seem to get the actual hand history because either Gaming Club doesn't send them out or has some retarded way of getting hand histories. But I will summarize what happened.
I'm in late position, got pocket Kings. 4 people call, I raise, they call my raise. Flop comes out 8,2,A with A and 2 of same suite as one of my kings. So I'm thinking I got a decent pair with a backdoor flush, feeling confident of my hand. Everyone checks to me, I bet, 2 fold, 1 calls (MP1), and the player right before me raises (MP3). So I'm thinking that he might have an Ace, but I 3-bet anyway. MP1 cold-calls, and MP3 caps. I call, MP1 calls, and the turn comes out 7 (not helping with the flush to anyone). MP1 bets this time, MP3 reraises. Now I'm thinking what kind of hand could MP3 possibly make by the flop that he is still this confident of it? My guess was that he had either an Ace, making a pair of aces with the board, a two-pair, or pocket Aces, each of which would beat me. So I decided to fold. MP1 called, and the river came out some other card that didn't seem to help anyone. MP1 checked, MP3 bet, and MP1 called. Result: MP3 had Q8s, and won a huge pot with a pair of 8s. So he had a flush draw on the flop, which I know is a strong hand, but I still don't know if I played my pocket kings right. Any feedback is appreciated.
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Demiparadigm
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Fold to the checkraise on the flop, or call it down.
To cap the flop and fold the turn is the worst of both worlds.
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To win in poker you only need to be one step ahead of your opponents. Two steps may be detrimental.
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Fnord
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What did MP1 have?
Consider the side-effects of never folding the best hand in spots like this.
Consider how paying better attention to the game makes playing difficult hands easier and allows for better feedback to your posts.
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R3N3G4D3
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Join Date: Jul 2005
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I don't know what hand MP1 had, he had "Muck losing hands" option on. So then folding to check-raise is the best option in this situation?
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Fnord
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Yeah, I dump these on the flop.
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Demiparadigm
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Originally Posted by Fnord
Yeah, I dump these on the flop.
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I could make a case for calling the flop and folding the turn since you have the (backdoor) nut flush draw.
But in general, you are being results oriented in a hand that you will win a very small percentage of the time.
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To win in poker you only need to be one step ahead of your opponents. Two steps may be detrimental.
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R3N3G4D3
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Join Date: Jul 2005
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K, thanks for the feedback guys. I seem to get lost when I have a big pocket pair and the flop doesn't hit me.
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