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LeFou
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08-04-2005, 12:08 PM
Post subject: ATo out of position
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I think I played this well. Again, waiting for the turn (this one's not real safe, though) to make a move.
PokerStars 1/2 Hold'em (10 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx
Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with A , T .
1 fold, Hero calls, 1 fold, MP1 calls, 4 folds, SB completes, BB checks.
Flop: (4 SB) J, A , 3 (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks, MP1 bets, SB folds, BB calls, Hero calls.
Turn: (3.50 BB) Q (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, MP1 calls, BB folds.
River: (5.50 BB) 9 (2 players)
Final Pot: 5.50 BB
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TylerK
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Ew. Why are you waiting for the turn to bet your hand?
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TylerK: its just gambling if i want to worry about money i'll go to work lol
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Shark Bait
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I fold this preflop.
But about your new strategy that you've read about. It would work well if everyone checked the flop. Then your big bet just screws over everyones pot odds.
Also, small bets hardly scare anyone away...it just looks weak when you check.
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<a500lbgorilla> Limit is poker with training wheels!
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LeFou
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Originally Posted by Shark Bait
But about your new strategy that you've read about. It would work well if everyone checked the flop. Then your big bet just screws over everyones pot odds.
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I like enticing a bet from the weak ace here. Now on the turn I seem to be repping the queen and can be fairly sure to get calls on both of the last two rounds.
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Trikflow77
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Raise preflop, raise flop bet turn...you make a ton more with this line
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TylerK
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Originally Posted by LeFou
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Originally Posted by Shark Bait
But about your new strategy that you've read about. It would work well if everyone checked the flop. Then your big bet just screws over everyones pot odds.
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I like enticing a bet from the weak ace here. Now on the turn I seem to be repping the queen and can be fairly sure to get calls on both of the last two rounds. |
1/2 players could care less what you might have. Relentlessly value betting your good hands usually wins more than getting tricky does.
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TylerK: its just gambling if i want to worry about money i'll go to work lol
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gutshot
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Originally Posted by TylerK
1/2 players could care less what you might have. Relentlessly value betting your good hands usually wins more than getting tricky does.
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Fo' serious. Save the HEPFAP stuff for the 30/60 game.
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-jay
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outphase
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If your opponents suck to begin with, they won't understand pot odds and call away
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Originally Posted by lambchopdc
Lets stop talking ABC poker and move on to D, E, and F.
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Fnord
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Originally Posted by Shark Bait
I fold this preflop.
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I would too if people didn't suck so hard...
Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx
Preflop: Fnord is UTG with A, T.
Fnord raises, 5 folds, Button calls, 1 fold, BB calls.
Flop: (6.50 SB) 5, 4, Q (3 players)
BB checks, Fnord bets, Button calls, BB calls.
Turn: (4.75 BB) A (3 players)
BB checks, Fnord bets, Button raises, BB folds, Fnord calls.
River: (8.75 BB) T (2 players)
Fnord checks, Button bets, Fnord raises, Button calls.
Final Pot: 12.75 BB
Results in white below:
Fnord has Ac Ts (two pair, aces and tens).
Button has 6h 7h (high card, ace).
Outcome: Fnord wins 12.75 BB.
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jmrogers7
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08-04-2005, 04:50 PM
Post subject: Re: ATo out of position
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Full House
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Originally Posted by LeFou
I think I played this well. Again, waiting for the turn (this one's not real safe, though) to make a move.
PokerStars 1/2 Hold'em (10 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx
Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with A , T .
1 fold, Hero calls, 1 fold, MP1 calls, 4 folds, SB completes, BB checks.
Flop: (4 SB) J , A , 3 (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks, MP1 bets, SB folds, BB calls, Hero calls.
Turn: (3.50 BB) Q (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, MP1 calls, BB folds.
River: (5.50 BB) 9 (2 players)
Final Pot: 5.50 BB |
This is either a raise or a fold.
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"The urge to gamble is so universal and it's practice is so pleasurable, that I assume it must be evil." - Heywood Broun
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jmrogers7
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Originally Posted by Fnord
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Originally Posted by Shark Bait
I fold this preflop.
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I would too if people didn't suck so hard...
Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx
Preflop: Fnord is UTG with A , T .
Fnord raises, 5 folds, Button calls, 1 fold, BB calls.
Flop: (6.50 SB) 5 , 4 , Q (3 players)
BB checks, Fnord bets, Button calls, BB calls.
Turn: (4.75 BB) A (3 players)
BB checks, Fnord bets, Button raises, BB folds, Fnord calls.
River: (8.75 BB) T (2 players)
Fnord checks, Button bets, Fnord raises, Button calls.
Final Pot: 12.75 BB
Results in white below:
Fnord has Ac Ts (two pair, aces and tens).
Button has 6h 7h (high card, ace).
Outcome: Fnord wins 12.75 BB. |
I noticed you posting more 2/4 hands. Did you move down? Any reasons?
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LeFou
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Originally Posted by gutshot
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Originally Posted by TylerK
1/2 players could care less what you might have. Relentlessly value betting your good hands usually wins more than getting tricky does.
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Fo' serious. Save the HEPFAP stuff for the 30/60 game. |
I don't know ... I just spent a month or so relentlessly value betting good hands and the results were Terrible. It occurred to me that something was missing, so I'm experimenting with trickier plays.
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TylerK
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Not to hijack, but what's the Fnord move if I change the hand like this...
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Originally Posted by Fnord
I would too if people didn't suck so hard...
Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx
Preflop: Fnord is UTG with A , T .
Fnord raises, 5 folds, Button calls, 1 fold, BB calls.
Flop: (6.50 SB) 5 , 4 , Q (3 players)
BB checks, Fnord bets, Button calls, BB calls.
Turn: (4.75 BB) Brick
BB checks, Fnord...? |
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TylerK: its just gambling if i want to worry about money i'll go to work lol
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Fnord
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Originally Posted by jmrogers7
I noticed you posting more 2/4 hands. Did you move down? Any reasons?
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Just started playing again since 3/6 6 max came around. No poker edge, my DB is a little dated, I suspect the 3/6 full game got worse and I was playing after midnight on a Tuesday...
I used to drop down quite a bit when I was playing daily. If the games at your usual level suck, just drop down for a few hours.
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Fnord
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Originally Posted by TylerK
Not to hijack, but what's the Fnord move if I change the hand like this...
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Originally Posted by Fnord
I would too if people didn't suck so hard...
Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx
Preflop: Fnord is UTG with A , T .
Fnord raises, 5 folds, Button calls, 1 fold, BB calls.
Flop: (6.50 SB) 5 , 4 , Q (3 players)
BB checks, Fnord bets, Button calls, BB calls.
Turn: (4.75 BB) Brick
BB checks, Fnord...? |
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Sometimes bet, sometimes check/fold. Depends on how much I think I can push the other 2 guys around, particularly the Button.
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Nehmer
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Originally Posted by Fnord
Just started playing again since 3/6 6 max came around. No poker edge, my DB is a little dated, I suspect the 3/6 full game got worse and I was playing after midnight on a Tuesday... |
The 3/6 full tables did get a lot worse. During the day, there are at least 5 people that are like 13/10 players at every table now(all of which I see playing all day every day). At night it isn't as bad, but I hardly ever play at night, so the 6-max change at 3/6 definately sucks for me. Game is still beatable for sure, but definately not by quite as much.
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TylerK
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Originally Posted by LeFou
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Originally Posted by gutshot
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Originally Posted by TylerK
1/2 players could care less what you might have. Relentlessly value betting your good hands usually wins more than getting tricky does.
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Fo' serious. Save the HEPFAP stuff for the 30/60 game. |
I don't know ... I just spent a month or so relentlessly value betting good hands and the results were Terrible. It occurred to me that something was missing, so I'm experimenting with trickier plays. |
Post stats, etc. "Not tricky enough" probably isn't the root cause of it IMHO.
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TylerK: its just gambling if i want to worry about money i'll go to work lol
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