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acezrez
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05-20-2006, 04:32 PM
Post subject: AQs small blind
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Ultimate Bet 0.25/0.50 Hold'em (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
Preflop: Hero is SB with Q , A.
UTG calls, 2 folds, MP2 raises, 3 folds, Hero 3-bets, 1 fold, UTG calls, MP2 calls.
Flop: (10 SB) 8, T, 9 (3 players)
Hero bets, UTG raises, MP2 calls, Hero 3-bets, UTG calls, MP2 calls.
Turn: (9.50 BB) 5 (3 players)
Hero bets, UTG calls, MP2 calls.
River: (12.50 BB) 8 (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets, MP2 calls, Hero folds.
Final Pot: 14.50 BB
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Nehmer
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Postflop looks good to me. Preflop I would like the 3-bet if you were on the button, but I personally would just call the raise from the SB.
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Xanadu
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Originally Posted by Nehmer
Postflop looks good to me. Preflop I would like the 3-bet if you were on the button, but I personally would just call the raise from the SB.
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This is reasonable, but the raise does definitely have its advantages.
1. likely force out the BB or he makes a bad call
2. same for UTG
I don't have a problem with either play, but personally prefer the raise in most situations. Reads on opponents should really make the difference between the 2 here.
This is something I have learned from shorthanded play. Make your opponents either make bad calls or forfeit their pot equity.
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elipsesjeff
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Yeah, everything looks fine, nut flush draw + nut gutshot draw + two overcards when it is 3 way is an easy cap for value.
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euphoricism
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His flop raise might be a free-card play, and there are two ways to deal with it. Your line, threebet and pound away, or just call the flop raise and donk the turn anyway. It accomplishes the same thing as your line, but at .5 bets cheaper. Granted you lose .5 bets of value.
Could also call, and checkraise the turn no matter what comes up. Thats a pretty ballsy line, and I kind of like it. When it hits, you look like a maniac who got lucky. When you miss you look like a fish. Both are great images to portray when you're tight and aggressive.
Your call.
Just don't fold. 
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Prolaznik
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I really don't see a point of flop 3bet. You'll buy flush sometimes, but it would make up only part of unnecessary expenses.
Turn bet is also potentially disaster.
(preflop 3bet is OK to me)
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thenonsequitur
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Originally Posted by Prolaznik
I really don't see a point of flop 3bet.
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Originally Posted by elipsesjeff
nut flush draw + nut gutshot draw + two overcards when it is 3 way is an easy cap for value.
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Ltrain
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Looks good, although I like a check/call on the turn to set up a possible checkraise on the river. After the calls on the flop, no one is folding the turn and you are not either; I would wait until we are ahead. Also, the way you played it, it would be difficult to put you on the flush draw. However, it is close, so I don't mind the play.
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If I think I can c/r a Bingo on the turn I just call the flop 3-bet.
Maybe 3-bet flop and check turn if these guys are really weak.
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dumbmrblah
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I think you have to reraise the flop here because you can't be sure of a bet on the turn, so you'll have to bet out if you hit. You can't protect your hand, you can't be sure anyone will bet on the turn if you check, you have to get your value now. You have 9 outs to the absolute nuts, 4 more probable outs, 3 likely outs, and 3 possible outs. Call it 14 and you're looking at over a 50% chance of having the best hand by the river.
On the turn those same 14 outs only give you 28% equity. You probably aren't gonna fold anyone with a jack, so a bet doesn't protect your hand. I guess you could raise for value if you figure they're both on a draw, but there are too many suited connecting hands that are hit right now and also on a draw. And what do you do if you get reraised?
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elipsesjeff
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Originally Posted by Fnord
If I think I can c/r a Bingo on the turn I just call the flop 3-bet.
Maybe 3-bet flop and check turn if these guys are really weak.
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Thats an interesting line.
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Fnord
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Originally Posted by elipsesjeff
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Originally Posted by Fnord
If I think I can c/r a Bingo on the turn I just call the flop 3-bet.
Maybe 3-bet flop and check turn if these guys are really weak.
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Thats an interesting line. |
Which one?
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elipsesjeff
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Heh, the 3bet flop and check the turn. Thats more of a live-play line that I could see valuable online. You just give up all folding equity, if you had any.
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Fnord
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Originally Posted by elipsesjeff
You just give up all folding equity, if you had any.
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Why do you think you have any folding equity betting the turn and checking the river? I can see folding equity betting out both streets though. Hence, you're not making a 1 bet decision on the turn, you're really committing to 2 bets barring any new information.
I like the turn check because it might get checked through and that would be spiffy. You might also save yourself the better share of a bet against someone who's looking to pop you on a safe turn, that would be spiffy too. Given the action + board texture this is almost never getting folded on the turn and you gotta consider the chances it gets folded on the river.
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Xanadu
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Right on Fnord, the more I look at this hand, the more I think a turn check has to be right.
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