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WhooFleuryScores
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09-13-2005, 05:56 AM
Post subject: AQo in LP
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Full House
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Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (8 handed) internettexasholdem.com
Preflop: Hero is CO with :ac, :qs.
3 folds, MP2 calls, Hero raises, Button calls, SB 3-bets, BB calls, MP2 calls, Hero calls, Button caps, SB calls, BB calls, MP2 calls, Hero calls.
Flop: (20 SB) :8d, :6s, :6c (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, MP2 bets, Hero calls, Button calls, SB calls, BB calls.
Turn: (12.50 BB) :9h (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, MP2 bets, Hero raises, Button folds, SB folds, BB folds, MP2 calls $0.97 (All-In).
River: (16.47 BB) :5s (2 players, 1 all-in)
Final Pot: 16.47 BB
Results in white below:
MP2 has Qc 6d (three of a kind, sixes).
Hero has Ac Qs (one pair, sixes).
Outcome: MP2 wins 16.44 BB. Hero wins 0.02 BB.
Was my play correct preflop and on the flop?Turn was just out of frustration.
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Ltrain
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PF- fine, but bells should be going off in your head when 4 people see a capped flop
Flop- fold. You are unimproved, have no backdoor draws and are lucky you didn't get sandwiched. Also, MP2 just called PF and is now betting? Your beat.
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Fnord
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by Ltrain
Flop- fold. You are unimproved, have no backdoor draws and are lucky you didn't get sandwiched.
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There are 10BB in the pot and you're getting donked on a board that didn't likely improve anyone. I put him on 8x or OSD and seriously consider raising but probably call. You're pot-struck and can't fold here for a single bet.
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Ltrain
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Yes, there was a big pot already built and yes the board was friendly, but you have 4 players left on the flop with no mentioned reads, a 3bet and capper PF behind you, you are being bet into, and your outs are discounted. If I sit at the button, I probably raise, but in the middle with the hand playing the way it did, I fold.
Fnord, do you have a hand example you could post where in this situation with 4 PF cappers and you hit your overcard on the turn or river? Maybe I am wrong about the discounted outs but I would want at least a backdoor flush or straight draw to call against a raiser here.
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"Don't judge a man until you have walked a mile in his shoes. Then you are a mile away, and have his shoes." - Anon.
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Fnord
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Originally Posted by Ltrain
Fnord, do you have a hand example you could post where in this situation with 4 PF cappers and you hit your overcard on the turn or river?
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Consider how it got capped.
Button cold-call capped as the 3rd guy in. That screams a lukewarm hand which wants to gamble.
SB's cold 3-bet is scary, but he checked the flop. A big pair will lead out here a fair % of the time. Still, with no other information it could be a pretty wide range in this game.
MP2 (who donk bet the flop) is short stacked. Given the pot size, I'm almost inclined to gamble with him for the rest of his chips if we had a reasonable chance of isolating.
The action is too silly to fold getting these kind of pot odds.
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elipsesjeff
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I'm not folding the flop for one bet, but I can find a fold here on the turn with everyone else in teh pot.
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jmontis
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ya i'm seeing a turn card in this pot too, however a turn raise is donkey play
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take your ego out of the equation and judge the situation dispassionately
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Ltrain
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Ok, I think you convinced me that I could think of enough scenarios where we can call MP2's bet getting 1:20 odds. Assuming you call and Button raises or SB, BB checkraise, o.w. calls all around; still see the turn for that one more bet getting 1:22-27 odds for the additional call?
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"Don't judge a man until you have walked a mile in his shoes. Then you are a mile away, and have his shoes." - Anon.
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Fnord
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You can't fold for 1 small bet. Aren't big pots fun? 
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