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Old 03-22-2005, 08:20 PM     Post subject: AQo and AKo in EP #1 (permalink)  
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You raise and get 1 or more callers, so now what line do you take when the board comes up:

-Unsuited Rags (rags = 9 or lower)

-Rags with Flush or straight draw

-Paired board

-Broadway card, rag, rag


I usually don't like to show weakness after aggression unless there is some serious evidence to slow the hell down. I usually bet out on the flop and will bet out on the turn if the flop wasn't raised. Sometimes I will take down the pot on the turn but often I find myself checking the river and potentially getting bluffed out of the pot. I am thinking this a BIG leak.

So should I Check the turn and then fold if bet into? or then check/call the river?

This probably only applies to heads up. More than 1 opponent I think its an easy fold.
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Old 03-22-2005, 08:25 PM     Post subject: Re: AQo and AKo in EP #2 (permalink)  
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You raise and get 1 or more callers
The number and type of callers is VERY important.

I'm more inclined to check/fold or check/call against a large call-happy field.
 
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Old 03-22-2005, 08:35 PM     Post subject: Re: AQo and AKo in EP #3 (permalink)  
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Originally Posted by Tripps7
You raise and get 1 or more callers, so now what line do you take when the board comes up:

-Unsuited Rags (rags = 9 or lower)

-Rags with Flush or straight draw

-Paired board

-Broadway card, rag, rag


I usually don't like to show weakness after aggression unless there is some serious evidence to slow the hell down. I usually bet out on the flop and will bet out on the turn if the flop wasn't raised. Sometimes I will take down the pot on the turn but often I find myself checking the river and potentially getting bluffed out of the pot. I am thinking this a BIG leak.

So should I Check the turn and then fold if bet into? or then check/call the river?

This probably only applies to heads up. More than 1 opponent I think its an easy fold.
For me, it depends on the number of callers. Let's assume 1-2 callers first:
- Unsuited rags, I open, representing mid-high pair. If called/raised, I consider the actor and see the turn. Turn - If blank or lower, I bet again.
- Rag draw, I open bet, and reevaluate on the turn. If raised, I slow down. Turn - if blank, I bet again.
- Paired board - betting out here sucks, 'cause they discount your strength, and you can't represent trips in most games, 'cause fish always check this. So, sometimes I do a sneaky check, and watch them worriedly check around.
- Broadway card - I bet

If 3 or more callers:
- Unsuited rags, I open, representing mid-high pair. If action brews, I might fold.
- Rag draw, I open bet, and reevaluate on the turn. If raised, I slow down. Turn - if blank, I bet again.
- Paired board - betting out here sucks, 'cause they discount your strength, and you can't represent trips in most games, 'cause fish always check this. So, sometimes I do a sneaky check, and watch them worriedly check around.
- Broadway card - I do a sneaky check.
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Old 03-22-2005, 08:39 PM #4 (permalink)  
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you know well enough that the answer to this question is...."it depends"

i used to blindly bet all the time on the flop regardless if i hit or not.

but i'm starting to take the free card if given and look at the turn for free. keeps the pot small so if you hit you can protect it better.
 
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Old 03-22-2005, 08:46 PM #5 (permalink)  
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but i'm starting to take the free card if given and look at the turn for free. keeps the pot small so if you hit you can protect it better.
I agree these are tough, often you get caught in situations where you are "blind." But, in EP it's tough to see free cards on these hands, so in intimate pots, I attack to get reads.
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Old 03-22-2005, 09:38 PM #6 (permalink)  
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intimate pots, I attack to get reads.
I chuckled at that terminology. 'intimate pots' .... why does that make me laugh?
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Old 03-22-2005, 11:08 PM #7 (permalink)  
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intimate pots, I attack to get reads.
I chuckled at that terminology. 'intimate pots' .... why does that make me laugh?
Thought it was strange when I wrote it, yet somehow appropos...
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Old 03-23-2005, 04:29 PM #8 (permalink)  
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Thanks for the info everyone. I have some leaks playing AK.

AKo is barely +EV for me right now. I am playing it too aggressive post flop when I miss. Although I know of at least 2 instances in the last 2 days that I flopped 2 pair with AK and lost very large pots.

AKo:

98 times, 54.08% winrate. $0.79

that is ugly...
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Old 03-23-2005, 05:19 PM #9 (permalink)  
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Thanks for the info everyone. I have some leaks playing AK.

AKo is barely +EV for me right now. I am playing it too aggressive post flop when I miss. Although I know of at least 2 instances in the last 2 days that I flopped 2 pair with AK and lost very large pots.

AKo:

98 times, 54.08% winrate. $0.79

that is ugly...
Just watch out for broadway flops when you miss...particularly 2 broadway misses in a multiway, like QJ. You're often up against strong draws, and at least 1 or 2 prs, so you can't bet them off. I usually represent high pairs against a low board with AK.
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Old 03-23-2005, 05:47 PM #10 (permalink)  
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Just watch out for broadway flops when you miss...particularly 2 broadway misses in a multiway, like QJ. You're often up against strong draws, and at least 1 or 2 prs, so you can't bet them off. I usually represent high pairs against a low board with AK.

2 broadway cards and I probably check/fold in many cases. Too much of a reverse domination chance. Often I will be facing 2 bets when it gets back to me anyways. I might make a call/raise in the rare cases I've got odds to the gutshot or maybe when 3 flush hit the board. Usually I would bet out in these circumstances.
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