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arkitekton
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11-07-2006, 08:47 AM
Post subject: Any Realtime HUDs available?
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I may have not configured my PokerAce trial correctly, but it didn't seem to give me realtime updates on opponents or tables--I emailed them but so far received only a cryptic reply.
So, question, are there any realtime Heads Up Displays out there that will give me player and table stats?
Thanks in advance.
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Yeah, PAHUD. Do you have pokertracker?
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AHiltz
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The trial only allows 1 table at a time if I remember correctly. You need to be running PokerTracker at the same time.
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arkitekton
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I do have PokerTracker, but was never get PAHUD to work with it in real time, which is obviously pretty important--so, in other words, with PAHUD you can have multiple tables open, and as each hand is completed, each players stats (as well as the stats of the table, cumulatively) will be updated to reflect the hand just played?
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AHiltz
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In PAHud you have to go to the Options -> Preferences menu. In the Databases -> Hold'em section, make sure your PT database for the site your trying to run is highlighted. Then goto Poker Sites -> XXXX and configure the site there.
Some sites take a little trick to get them to work. Post the site if this info doesn't help and we'll see what we can do.
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Anosmic
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Originally Posted by arkitekton
I do have PokerTracker, but was never get PAHUD to work with it in real time, which is obviously pretty important--so, in other words, with PAHUD you can have multiple tables open, and as each hand is completed, each players stats (as well as the stats of the table, cumulatively) will be updated to reflect the hand just played?
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This depends on which site you're playing on and your settings in PT.
You have to have PT running and auto-importing hands from that site. If I'm playing with a bunch of unknowns I may have PT fetch the hands every minute or two.
Once I have 50+ hands on people I'm probably more interested in updating every 5-10 minutes.
If you have your PT set to grab hands every minute you're more or less in real time (perhaps updating every other hands at 6-max).
Remember though that there's usually a minimum number of hands before the statistics start (20 or 50 or whatever you've set it to) so new players at the table will have no stats for a while.
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arkitekton
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Thanks for the info--very helpful. My computers pretty speedy, so it sounds like this will work out.
btw, Anosmic, why is it that "there's usually a minimum number of hands before the statistics start...."? Could I set it for one, in the event I wanted the information immediately?
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Jimmy Mac
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Originally Posted by arkitekton
btw, Anosmic, why is it that "there's usually a minimum number of hands before the statistics start...."? Could I set it for one, in the event I wanted the information immediately?
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Go to Options/Preferences/Filters, and change the minimum hands required field to whatever you want.
Try not to read too much into someone's stats over a three hand sample size though 
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arkitekton
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Thanks for the help--I'll try that.
You're right about sample size. I generally like to see stats from at least five hands before drawing conclusions. 
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Originally Posted by arkitekton
Thanks for the help--I'll try that.
You're right about sample size. I generally like to see stats from at least five hands before drawing conclusions. |
5 hands LOL yea any player could look like any "type"... i could have folded an easy 25 hands straight and look like a complete fucking rock but over 250 hands play 32% or whatever... so IMO 50 hands min and that's not even enough to draw a very solid conclusion...
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arkitekton
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I'm glad you knew I was kidding.
btw, I wonder what how many hands we'd need to see in order to get, say, 90% confidence that a given opponent has a vpip within 5% of the vpip of hands we've seen him play? If he's gone in voluntarily 20% of the time since he sat down at the table, how many hands do we need to see to be reasonably (90%) sure his vpip is betwee 15 and 25%?
Wish I'd taken stats in college--I think the chances that someone with a vipip of 32% over 250 hands will fold 25 hands in a row during that set of 250 hands is probably about the chances that you can rent a rowboat on the moon...
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AHiltz
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Some food for thought.
I was 4 tabling the other day. On 3 tables I was all but card dead. I think the only times I vol contributed were from the SB. I was 10, 12 and 18% with 1 of those tables having a pfr and it was 6 or 8. On the other table I was 43/23/2.8. That was over 30-50 hands at each table. I think you need a min of 80-100 hands to get a pretty good idea of where someone is.
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Originally Posted by arkitekton
I'm glad you knew I was kidding.
btw, I wonder what how many hands we'd need to see in order to get, say, 90% confidence that a given opponent has a vpip within 5% of the vpip of hands we've seen him play? If he's gone in voluntarily 20% of the time since he sat down at the table, how many hands do we need to see to be reasonably (90%) sure his vpip is betwee 15 and 25%?
Wish I'd taken stats in college--I think the chances that someone with a vipip of 32% over 250 hands will fold 25 hands in a row during that set of 250 hands is probably about the chances that you can rent a rowboat on the moon... |
Well... confidence and error are two different things in statistics.
Confidence usually deals with how well your sample represents the complete population. If you wanted to determine a "confidence" you would need to know the size of the population compaired to your sample. Example, if you have 650 hands logged from a preson, and they have only played 650 hands, then your confidence in your prediction would be 100%, but with some given error due to deviation. If you had a 650 hand sample from 6500 hands, then your confidence would be different... maybe 90% (don't know the exact confidence), with a given error due to deviation.
So, with out knowing the true total poplulation, you can not assign a statistical "confidence". Now, if what you are refering to is statistical error, that is a little different. Still not exact due to not knowing the "confidence" but you can reasonably guesstamate due to your relative sample size and deviation.
However, even that is difficult because of the nature of poker and erratic bahavor of players. Which makes this a very, very difficult question. Variations in play due to playing better when winning, worse when losing, is he on tilt, having a bad day, I think your error is always going to be large. And without being able to identify what mood the player was playing in during your sample and taking that into account, your error will always be greater than 5%.
Good play during a winning session from a poor player may be the same as bad play during a tilt session from a good player. If you only have 500 hands, maybe two or three sessions, your stats could telling you something that is not true. Even if you have 10k hands on some one, giving you a damn close average, how is he playing now? Is he playing better than his average, or worse than his average?
Identifying a error of less than 10-15% I think is very, very difficult.
Yes, stats are a great tool, but trying to use them to PINPOINT the right play is very inefficent and unreliable.
If you ask me.... lol.... 
Yes, a 30+ VPIP% is a loose player. But trying use a 34% VPIP or 6.5% PFR to PINPOINT his starting hands, or whatever, is not reliable and ineffecient.
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arkitekton
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Some food for thought.
I was 4 tabling the other day. On 3 tables I was all but card dead. I think the only times I vol contributed were from the SB. I was 10, 12 and 18% with 1 of those tables having a pfr and it was 6 or 8. On the other table I was 43/23/2.8. That was over 30-50 hands at each table. I think you need a min of 80-100 hands to get a pretty good idea of where someone is.
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I think you're right, though have to admit to a VPIP around 17 and a pfr not too much higher than 8, and that's voluntary on my part.
Great points, NWN. I agree that using stats to try to pinpoint a player's likely hand on a given deal is ill-advised. Ballpark is good enough much of the time, and it's a particular help if I have a hundred plus hands on someone in my PT database and go up against them in the first few rounds. In a game where a couple of big bets per 100 hands is a big deal the small things aren't that small...
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arkitekton
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Oh, and I still can't get PokerAceHUD to display realtime stats.
I'm playing at EmpirePoker and have PokerTracker set to import hands every minute, and I'm in fact getting updated stats by the minute into my PokerTracker database. Nonetheless, no matter how I set the filters and preferences in PokerAce, I can't get it to register these updating stats. Could the problem be due to the recent Party and Party skins upgrade?
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Anosmic
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Originally Posted by arkitekton
Oh, and I still can't get PokerAceHUD to display realtime stats.
I'm playing at EmpirePoker and have PokerTracker set to import hands every minute, and I'm in fact getting updated stats by the minute into my PokerTracker database. Nonetheless, no matter how I set the filters and preferences in PokerAce, I can't get it to register these updating stats. Could the problem be due to the recent Party and Party skins upgrade? |
Possibly. If you're not running the beta version of PAHud.
BTW you do have just one database right? I've been caught out before when running a NL table with the LHE database selected.
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arkitekton
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So I downloaded the beta version and still nothing.
I'm playing at Party and I have PokerTracker configured to read from the correct database, and it's updating every minute, so that's working. I also have that database open to PokerAce, but all I get in PokerAce are stats from previous sessions on players I've played on previous days. PokerAce does recognize tables I'm playing at, but includes nothing from the current session, no realtime updates, and this is after 100 hands. Verrrrrry frustrating.
Any thoughts on where the problem might lie?
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AHiltz
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You know that the trial version of HUD only does one table?
On the filters tab, what is your min hands set at?
What are your refresh rates?
On the Party and skins tab, what is added as a directory?
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arkitekton
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Hi, AH. Yup--I'm aware that the trial version only does one table, but I've paid and registered, so I should be all right in that regard.
On the filters tab, my "Minimum Hands Required" is set at 10.
Under "Refresh Rates" my "Hand Refresh Ranges" are set to
Min Max Refresh E...
0 100 5
100 200 10
200 1000... 20
...which I believe was the default.
Under "Poker Sites > Party & Skins" I have:
C:\Program Files\EmpirePokerMaster\EmpirePoker
G:\Program Files\PartyGaming\PartyPoker
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AHiltz
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Something is screwy here.
Set your refresh rate for 0-100 to 1 hand. You can change it back later if you want, but for now it will make it easier to see the stats show up and update properly.
Are you playing full ring or 6 max?
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AHiltz
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Are you using the Beta 1.15h version?
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Under "Poker Sites > Party & Skins" I have:
C:\Program Files\EmpirePokerMaster\EmpirePoker
G:\Program Files\PartyGaming\PartyPoker
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Is this the same folders as poker tracker? I thought that it had to point to your data base.
Some of these may seem like stupid suggestions but it will be something stupid that fixes it.
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Jimmy Mac
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I had this problem. Version 1.15i fixed it:
http://pokeracesoftware.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3699
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arkitekton
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Something is screwy here.
Set your refresh rate for 0-100 to 1 hand. You can change it back later if you want, but for now it will make it easier to see the stats show up and update properly.
Are you playing full ring or 6 max?
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I set the refresh rate for 0-100 to 1 hand. Good idea, but no change.
I'm playing full ring.
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Are you using the Beta 1.15h version?
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Yes. And just in case it was causing trouble, I deleted all other versions from my computer.
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Is this the same folders as Poker Tracker? I thought that it had to point to your data base.
Some of these may seem like stupid suggestions but it will be something stupid that fixes it.
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At this point I'll try just about anyfhing  but all the suggestions make sense so far
PokerTracker is in G:\Program Files\Poker Tracker V2
I'm not sure what you mean by, "it had to point to your database"
btw, in PokerAce the section that lists your PokerTracker databases is not well designed. When I opened it for the first time all the database names were in dark blue, and when you click on one, it turns white. Does the blue indicate it has been selected, or the white?
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AHiltz
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blue is selected. So, the Party database must be in blue. Any db's you have that are not supported by HUD, whiten them as it will speed HUD up.
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arkitekton
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blue is selected. So, the Party database must be in blue. Any db's you have that are not supported by HUD, whiten them as it will speed HUD up.
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I've tried it with the appropriate databases in blue--it doesn't help.
With PokerTracker open and all the databases highlighted in blue PAHud does pick up that I'm playing at a particular table, and will put up any stats I have on any player from previous sessions against that player. PAHud never registers or gives any information from the current session, though, even when I have PokerTracker successfully importing hands every minute into a database (highlighted in blue in PAHud) by using the File > Auto-Import Party (and Affiliates) Hand Histories.
Does this suggest to anyone where the error might lie?
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AHiltz
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You can enable logging and sent the log file via email to the creator of the program. Details are on the PAHud forum. That would be my next step. You seem to be doing everything that you should.
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arkitekton
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I'll give that a try, AH, and thanks for the advice.
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arkitekton
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PA Hud support suggested the following. Consolidating my PokerTracker databases worked just fine (unselecting a large number of my 200 databases preselected by PA Hud in it's Options > Preferences > Databases > Hold'em section also works) and I can now get realtime stat updates. I'm quoting them, below, in case anyone else runs into the same problem. Thanks, everyone, for all the help. Nice to have it going!
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>PA Hud isn't able to connect to your databases as you have too many
>for the Microsoft ODBC driver to handle. I suggest either
>consolidating your databases, or converting them to Postgres.
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AHiltz
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200 databases???? WTF?
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arkitekton
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rofl--228, actually.
I thought everybody did this kind of thing.... At the end of just about every session I'd ring up the hand history in a distinct PT database and review. Sometimes I'd also put together a week's worth in another distinct database to get a larger sample. Then, of course, there are the monthly databases...
How do you do it?
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AHiltz
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One database. If you don't have one, then you don't get the long term stats from your opps.
You can still get individual session info from PT. On the Ring page click the second tab.
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arkitekton
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Makes sense. I'll compile one in particular to keep track of all and highlight it in the PA Hud database section.
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