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SonOfAkira
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04-24-2006, 10:49 AM
Post subject: Any four?
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So, I responded to the fellow's thread about why it isn't neccesarily a good idea to play a hand like 2-10-J-K, triple suited, with the 2 unsuited, and it got me thinking: What are some opinions as to when it is acceptable, how shorthanded the ring is, to start playing practically any four, excluding quads, low trips, and uncoordinated four flushes? I feel 3 players, but what are some more experienced opinions? Recently I've enjoyed finding shorthanded tables and taking advantage of the mentality, 'hey, my 14th nut hand isn't that great, but at least i have something, right?' Simliar to the shorthanded NL texas mentality that seems to do many players in.
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Miffed22001
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are we talking omaha hi here?
If so im talking anything double sooted or a bunch of high cards for a big raise preflop. Let the fish decide what you have.
Ive played quite a bit of HU plo lately especially sngs and it was more of a surprise to me to see people callijg with 3 or 4 cards of the same soot oop to a quite tight raisor than it was to see me or them raaise with that type of hand from the button.
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Gomez
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This is a great question. I am probably the least experienced person in here, but I am jonesing for omaha conversation around here, so I am answering!
I have read that in 6-max holdem, play A-rag and K-rag stronger, but when I have done OK at 6-max it is by ignoring this advice and staying tight, with some blind stealing of course.
In Omaha HI, I really don't think the starting hand selection ever changes much, until heads up.
Because the dominant hand doesn't dominate by much, the fact that you and 1 or 2 others PROBABLY have some lesser hands than woulda been present at a full table doesn't seem to change the fact that you want the strongest of those slightly lamer hands. But I don't think you go "any four" even heads-up.
In hi/lo I think you can start having a little more confidence in A3xx and 32xx types of hands.
Another couple points to expand on this, if I may. . .
What are the implications of the fact that at a full table (9), there are only 16 cards left in the deck, whereas heads up there would be 44?
You said "excluding low trips", do you play hi trips? I have certainly seen them win. And "uncoordinated 4 flushes", how much of a negative do you guys think 3 or 4 of a suit is? It is obviously not ideal, but I have put much less weight on that negative than having 3 (or 4!) of the same rank. That is MUCH worse don't you think?
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SonOfAkira
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by Miffed22001
are we talking omaha hi here?
If so im talking anything double sooted or a bunch of high cards for a big raise preflop. Let the fish decide what you have.
Ive played quite a bit of HU plo lately especially sngs and it was more of a surprise to me to see people callijg with 3 or 4 cards of the same soot oop to a quite tight raisor than it was to see me or them raaise with that type of hand from the button.
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Oops, yes, I was referring to PLO hi.
What about PLO8?
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Miffed22001
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by SonOfAkira
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Originally Posted by Miffed22001
are we talking omaha hi here?
If so im talking anything double sooted or a bunch of high cards for a big raise preflop. Let the fish decide what you have.
Ive played quite a bit of HU plo lately especially sngs and it was more of a surprise to me to see people callijg with 3 or 4 cards of the same soot oop to a quite tight raisor than it was to see me or them raaise with that type of hand from the button.
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Oops, yes, I was referring to PLO hi.
What about PLO8? |
i hate 0/8 hi low games so i have no idea!
Gomez, i feel hi trips can be treat like a big PP short handed, esp hU ive gotten it all in with KKKT to find i was well ahead so yes they have some value. Low trips less so as they do need to improve as something like 999x isn going to win too many pots HU without improvement. Short handed i dont adjust much from normal apart from i think its prbably worth trying to see few more pots from lp/btn and just contantly steal pre and post flop from there when no one shows any interest in the flop. I still havent sat at any tables <400plo and found more than two decent players so i think becasue most suck just carry as before, theyll pay u with trash (two pair quite often good shorthanded)
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