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Old 02-05-2009, 03:00 AM     Post subject: Any benefit to staying at stars? #1 (permalink)  
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Just been looking at rakeback calculations for NL and decided to check out limit as well and it has me wondering if I should stay at Stars or just move over to FTP fully (yes could go to UB/Absolute for slightly better RB rate but don't want to deal with cheats and contributed rather than raked)

Doing some quick calculations gave me the following figures:

Full Tilt 1/2 6-max
1500 hands a day (8 tabling 15 hours a week)
Monthly Rakeback @ 27% = $1355
Yearly rakeback = $16260

Pokerstars 1/2 6-max (using VPP calculator on site)
8 tables, 15 hours a week
Monthly FPP = 23210 (Platinum)
Yearly FPP = 278520 (SuperNova)
278520 VPP = $4000 bonus + $285 bonus = $4285

Seems that staying at stars has me giving up an extra 300% in free money than moving across to FTP so is there really any reason for staying at stars if looking long term?
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Old 02-05-2009, 04:50 AM #2 (permalink)  
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once platinum, wont 240kish fpps for the year clear the platinum 650 4, maybe 5, times? $650 X 4 = $2600. X5 = $3250.

obv, that pales in comparison to FTP. just thought it worth mentioning since it looks like you are only clearing these as "one time only" bonuses.

i will look, but i saw where stars gets comparable to other rb plans at nova....i think.

traffic may be another concern. and, you may bounce back and forth since your rb is better, but the bonuses may still be worth hitting 2-3 times per year? that way you can bounce between the softer games.

food for thought. well, maybe only a snack.

edit: you obv already found it. youre the last post...lol.
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Old 02-05-2009, 08:11 AM #3 (permalink)  
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RB is so much better.

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Old 02-05-2009, 08:28 AM     Post subject: Re: Any benefit to staying at stars? #4 (permalink)  
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Originally Posted by Knytestorme
Pokerstars 1/2 6-max (using VPP calculator on site)
8 tables, 15 hours a week
Monthly FPP = 23210 (Platinum)
Yearly FPP = 278520 (SuperNova)
278520 VPP = $4000 bonus + $285 bonus = $4285
You've missed the fact that you multiply ur VPPs by your 'status level'. assuming you're nova already, thats 3.5.

SO the true value in fpp is

278520*3.5*0.016=$15,597.12

So the difference between stars and FTP for 'rakeback' is actually pretty negligable.
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Old 02-05-2009, 08:36 AM     Post subject: Re: Any benefit to staying at stars? #5 (permalink)  
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Pokerstars 1/2 6-max (using VPP calculator on site)
8 tables, 15 hours a week
Monthly FPP = 23210 (Platinum)
Yearly FPP = 278520 (SuperNova)
278520 VPP = $4000 bonus + $285 bonus = $4285
You've missed the fact that you multiply ur VPPs by your 'status level'. assuming you're nova already, thats 3.5.

SO the true value in fpp is

278520*3.5*0.016=$15,597.12

So the difference between stars and FTP for 'rakeback' is actually pretty negligable.
Sadly no......I went with the FPP total from the calculations page, not the VPP numbers so my numbers are accurate according to Stars
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Old 02-05-2009, 08:46 AM #6 (permalink)  
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 the calculations page is off.

its only there to give you a big picture

if you want correct calcs its diy
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Old 02-05-2009, 09:32 AM #7 (permalink)  
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OK, the fact that your VPP was equal to your FPP made me think you hadn't multiplied it.
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Old 02-05-2009, 02:32 PM #8 (permalink)  
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muzz brings up a good point. VPP is only to maintain your status. FPPs carry the multiplier and are what you use to purchase bonuses...however, VPPs clear them off. of course, stars reverts to calling them "base FPPs" in that case.

as for Jack, he is right. that calcs page is BEYOND fucked up. i says that if you 4-table 6max LHE at 25/50 for 15 hours a month, you can be silver. or some shit like that. silver is NOT attainable at 25/50c LHE without MASSIVE amounts of play.

they never changed the calculator when they changed their "qualifying raked hands." to be raked, it used to just take a flop years ago. but now, it takes $.40 in rake. that makes a huge difference as to the minimum levels that will generate a VPP/FPP.

if you play LHE, it takes about 15-20k hands to make silver at 50/1. and, imo, gold is more of a 1/2 thing.

however, none of that applies to you, knyter. if you hit platinum or nova, the bonuses do get close to a RB somewhere else. i just dont know how to prove it to you myself. but, if it didnt get competitive, stars would lose customers and change it soon enough.
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