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BennyLaRue
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02-18-2009, 10:55 PM
Post subject: Another thin value bet opportunity
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Full House
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SB and button are total loose passives, real dream opps. UTG is 28/15/2.3.
Comments on all streets would be appreciated but my main question is the river. This is a weak holding against multiple opps, one of whom could really have anything and won't bet even when he has a hand. Do I vb?
$0.50/$1.00 Limit Hold'em - 5 players
Pre Flop: (1.5 SB) Hero is BB with K 6
UTG calls, 1 fold, BTN calls, SB calls, Hero checks
Flop: (4 SB) 4 8 6 (4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, UTG calls, BTN calls, SB calls
Turn: (4 BB) 9 (4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, UTG calls, BTN folds, SB calls
River: (7 BB) 3 (3 players)
SB checks, Hero ?
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LawDude
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You are getting 9-2 odds on your money on the river. Do you think that there is a greater than 2 in 11 chance that your pair of 6's is good?
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KoRnholio
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4-of-a-Kind
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UTG stats make it seem like he might stab with a whiffed draw (like JT) or a worse pair if we check. I think I check-call rather than bet.
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Some days it feels like I've been standing forever, waiting for the bank teller to return so I can cash in all these Sklansky Bucks.
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Chopper
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Straight Flush
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flame me, boys.
i'm not a fan of leading the flop, much less the turn and thinking of value on the river. you are betting a rather connected board, in a limped pot, oop to FOUR players, two of whom are "passive" (which means they chase and dont raise marginal hands to alert you to stop the spew). your pair isnt strong enough to even withstand a call from this spot, imo. did i mention its only a 4sb pot?
after that sickening turn card for a naked 6, what are you expecting to call (without better than a stat read) on the river that you actually beat? AX? 55?
c/f the flop and only put money in on the turn if it actually helps. your hand is vulnerable to about anything, may not even be best, and the pot is too small to fight for. wait for a better spot.
my nickel.
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LHE is a game where your skill keeps you breakeven until you hit your rush of random BS.
Nothing beats flopping quads while dropping a duece!
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BennyLaRue
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Originally Posted by Chopper
two of whom are "passive" (which means they chase and dont raise marginal hands to alert you to stop the spew).
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I hear you. But loose passives generally also chase down Aces and flush draws, none of which popped, and small pairs. I don't think they're so passive, however, that they won't come alive with trips or a straight. They just aren't tricky players.
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c/f the flop and only put money in on the turn if it actually helps. your hand is vulnerable to about anything, may not even be best, and the pot is too small to fight for. wait for a better spot.
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If I'm sb, absolutely, I'll try to c/r with a host of hands. But second to act here, it's really 50/50. Say I check and it gets to the button, who does bet; it tells me nothing and, if sb calls, won't get me to heads up anyway. I like to be the aggressor if in the middle of those to act with a hand, even a vulnerable one.
Wrt the turn cont bet, I'm willing to invest a big bet expecting resistance if someone drew out. Again, passive players don't defend marginal hands well, but do generally bet top pair or strong hands.
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KoRnholio
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4-of-a-Kind
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I think it was played fine. On the flop we most likely have the best hand, and don't want to give free cards to overcards. The turn isn't that scary, I definitely bet again. I am only worried about the SB showing up with 8x here. The aggro button would have raised an 8 on the flop or turn.
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Some days it feels like I've been standing forever, waiting for the bank teller to return so I can cash in all these Sklansky Bucks.
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DrivingDog
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I like the flop and turn play. If btn is betting every flop that's checked to him (like a lot of them do), I'm actually going to c/r that flop. But putting in the first bet with MPGK is also good on that board.
The turn looks good too. No-one seems to be ahead and no reason to give a free card.
I'm pretty ambivalent on what to do on the river really. I'm leaning towards a c/c just because it seems so hard for a worse hand to look us up, and you don't really want to be facing a possible raise.
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"You can fool some of the people all of the time, and those are the ones you want to concentrate on." (George Bush).
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BennyLaRue
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My default play here is c/c on the river, yep. But I think I still have a lot to turn about IDing where the small river edges are in 6-max. I'm certainly not confident in that part of my game yet.
Thanks, guys.
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DrivingDog
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It's a tough decision often whether or not to value bet a marginal hand, and I don't think i've mastered it myself. mostly i'm just guessing based on what i know about villian(s).
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"You can fool some of the people all of the time, and those are the ones you want to concentrate on." (George Bush).
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