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Old 06-23-2005, 11:05 PM     Post subject: Another fold aces thread #1 (permalink)  
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OK I put off posting this one for a while because I just figured it was a bad beat, but now I'm wondering if I "should" have avoided this. I am very sorry as this was a live game and I do not have a hand history and some of the details are sketchy.

Here's what I do know for sure:

2/4 (lowest limit) 9 handed

I was BB with AA (unsuited )

Reads...guy to my left is the only other decent player at the table. UTG+1 is old, stupid and retarded. He raises and re-raises just because he likes to see big pots and then folds on the river to 1 or sometimes even 0 bets. Yes...that's right. VP$IP of around 101. The other players are very casual and play just about anything.

UTG folds, and then 6 people call, sb calls. I raise and everyone calls the raise.

Now this is where my memory is getting a little fuzzy.

all I do know is that the flop was rainbow with all low cards. No draws for me at all.

sb checks, I bet and UTG+1 (the idiot) raises. a couple call the raise and then the CO re-raises. button calls and sb folds.

Now what do I do?

This is one of the reasons I stopped going there.
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Old 06-23-2005, 11:21 PM #2 (permalink)  
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A 3 bet on the flop in a loose passive game is almost always 2 pair, sometimes a set and sometimes a big draw. You need to know what the board is, the possibilty of 2 pair being out (you are more often beat on a 7TJ board than a 962 board.) Do you have any backdoor draws? you have at least 5 outs to beat 2 pair. What 2 pair is he likely to have? If 2 pair is unlikely, could he have a set? Is he the type of player who will raise on the come? Would he 3 bet top pair in this position?

The point is, It depends on a lot of information that you are not paying attention to during the hand. A question like "should I fold aces when there are all low cards on the flop?" is not one anyone can answer without more information.
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Old 06-23-2005, 11:22 PM #3 (permalink)  
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Cap the flop and lead out the turn. If the turn gets raised, just call down. If the turn gets raised/reraised, fold. In a place like this you are going to lose with aces a bit more often, because of the huge multiway pots, but when you do win, you are gonna win big, so it's alright. It is pretty tough to really make a good read here with the very limited details we have about the flop though.
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Old 06-23-2005, 11:32 PM #4 (permalink)  
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A question like "should I fold aces when there are all low cards on the flop?" is not one anyone can answer without more information.
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Cap the flop and lead out the turn. If the turn gets raised, just call down.

Nevermind, I stand corrected.


Here's a funny AA hand from 10/20:

Preflop: Hero is BB with A, A.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, 3 folds, MP3 calls, 1 fold, Button calls, SB calls, Hero checks.

Flop: (5 SB) 8, J, 9 (5 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG+1 bets, MP3 raises, Button 3-bets, SB folds, Hero folds.
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Old 06-23-2005, 11:49 PM #5 (permalink)  
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Yes, I am very sorry about the details

The cap is 5 bets at this place so even if I 4 bet the flop I could still be raised again.

The problem with calling it down is that I have 2 raisers after me. Say I check on the turn and UTG+1 bets and CO raises. Then what?

Well I might as well get it out and try to explain what I did/what happened.

I called the 3 bet and it ended up getting capped at 5 bets with 4 people in the hand. I bet the turn and again got caught in the raising.

long story short, it ended up me and CO on the river, where he hit his inside straight draw with 54s. suited connectors in limit...yay....

A few hands later I won another pot just like this (25+ BB) and almost ended up leaving with more money than I came with.

I was thinking about this hand though and considering all the action on the flop, I thought maybe I could have saved myself by folding. when 8 people see the flop, just a pair usually isn't going to win.
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Old 06-24-2005, 12:48 AM #6 (permalink)  
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I was thinking about this hand though and considering all the action on the flop, I thought maybe I could have saved myself by folding. when 8 people see the flop, just a pair usually isn't going to win.
Think very very carefully about what you just said. You want to fold aces in order to "save yourself" from somebody raising and reraising with an inside straight draw???
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Old 06-24-2005, 01:09 AM #7 (permalink)  
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Well that's what they had and that's the truth. But they could have hit anything. Trips and 2 pair. Both are consistant with the amount of betting going on. I'm sure someone else folded 2 pair, but for some reason I couldn't let go of one pair.
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Old 06-25-2005, 12:43 AM #8 (permalink)  
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Preflop: Hero is BB with A, A.
3 folds, MP2 calls, 2 folds, Button calls, SB raises, Hero 3-bets, MP2 calls, Button calls, SB caps, Hero calls, MP2 calls, Button calls.

Flop: (16 SB) 9, Q, K (4 players)
SB bets, Hero raises, MP2 calls, Button calls, SB calls.

Turn: (12BBs) K (4players)
SB checks, Hero bets, MP2 calls, Button raises, SB calls, Hero folds.
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