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Old 10-23-2005, 08:26 PM     Post subject: Another Couple of Hands #1 (permalink)  
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Are both of these standard with no reads?

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Preflop: Hero is BB with A, K.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, 2 folds, MP3 calls, 2 folds, SB completes, Hero raises, UTG+1 calls, MP3 calls, SB calls.

Flop: (8 SB) 6, 2, 3 (4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, UTG+1 calls, MP3 raises, SB folds, Hero 3-bets, UTG+1 calls, MP3 caps, Hero calls, UTG+1 calls.

Turn: (10 BB) 7 (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 checks, MP3 bets, Hero calls, UTG+1 calls.

River: (13 BB) K (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets, MP3 folds, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 15 BB


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Preflop: Hero is BB with 8, K.
UTG calls, 2 folds, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, 1 fold, CO calls, 1 fold, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (6 SB) 5, K, 2 (6 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, UTG folds, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, CO folds, SB folds.

Turn: (4.50 BB) 8 (3 players)
Hero bets, MP1 folds, MP2 raises, Hero 3-bets, MP2 calls.

River: (10.50 BB) 4 (2 players)
Hero bets, MP2 raises, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 14.50 BB
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Old 10-23-2005, 08:35 PM #2 (permalink)  
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1. Good
2. Good. Sometimes I might 3bet the river because he didn't cap the turn so he might not have the set, maybe a passive AK.
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Old 10-23-2005, 09:06 PM #3 (permalink)  
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How about this one? All opponents here are loose passive and passive post flop.

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Preflop: Hero is SB with K, K.
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, 1 fold, MP2 calls, 2 folds, Button calls, Hero raises, 1 fold, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, MP2 calls, Button calls.

Flop: (11 SB) 8, 4, Q (5 players)
Hero bets, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, MP2 calls, Button folds.

Turn: (7.50 BB) T (4 players)
Hero bets, UTG calls, UTG+1 folds, MP2 calls.

River: (10.50 BB) Q (3 players)
Hero bets, UTG calls, MP2 raises, Hero calls, UTG calls.

Final Pot: 16.50 BB
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Old 10-23-2005, 09:28 PM #4 (permalink)  
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This one was a toughy for me as well, does your river play differ?

UTG is borderline LAggy, all other opponents involved are LP.

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Preflop: Hero is BB with K, K.
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, 2 folds, MP2 calls, 1 fold, CO raises, 1 fold, SB calls, Hero 3-bets, UTG calls, UTG+1 folds, MP2 calls, CO calls, SB calls.

Flop: (16 SB) Q, 7, 9 (5 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, UTG calls, MP2 calls, CO folds, SB calls.

Turn: (10 BB) 6 (4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, UTG calls, MP2 calls, SB calls.

River: (14 BB) K (4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, UTG raises, MP2 calls, SB folds, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 20 BB
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Old 10-23-2005, 09:31 PM #5 (permalink)  
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3-bet that river all day.
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Old 10-23-2005, 09:58 PM #6 (permalink)  
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Definitely 3bet the last river.
On the previous KK hand, I make the crying call unless I get a GREAT read (as yours might have been) that makes me be sure that he's got the Q.
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On the previous KK hand, I make the crying call unless I get a GREAT read (as yours might have been) that makes me be sure that he's got the Q.
MP2 raised after a bet + call, that's not a bluff often enough to call without a read.
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Old 10-23-2005, 10:57 PM #8 (permalink)  
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hand 1 cap the crap out of the river

hand 2 good

hand 3 good

hand 4 3-bet the river

People sometimes raise a paired board because it improved their hand... like he has a ten in his hand and figures you don't have a queen so he has the best hand with AT
you'll lose more often than not, but the pot odds are too huge
you have to make this call
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People sometimes raise a paired board because it improved their hand... like he has a ten in his hand and figures you don't have a queen so he has the best hand with AT
you'll lose more often than not, but the pot odds are too huge
you have to make this call
He has Qx or better here almost always. 15.5:1 not good enough unless I suspect he's capable of senseless plays on the river.
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Old 10-23-2005, 11:01 PM #10 (permalink)  
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While theoretically you are right, I've seen plenty of Ahigh bluffs in just this sort of hand at PP 0.5/1
Hell, I was on the winning end of one at 1/2 today.
Many at 0.5/1 see the board pair and go "OMG teh board paired...i'll bluff him with my A4s "

However, if MP2 is passive (as MOST players are at 0.5/1 PP) I'll fold this. However, I know he's pretty new at PP and couldn't probably have had a great read (even just stat-wise) on the player, which is why I advocated a "great" read.
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While theoretically you are right, I've seen plenty of Ahigh bluffs in just this sort of hand at PP 0.5/1
Hell, I was on the winning end of one at 1/2 today.
Many at 0.5/1 see the board pair and go "OMG teh board paired...i'll bluff him with my A4s "
Heads-up, yes this is an insta-call. After a bet + call he's almost never bluffing 2 players on the river.
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Old 10-23-2005, 11:06 PM #12 (permalink)  
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Mhhh... I failed to notice UTG.
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Old 10-24-2005, 09:00 PM #13 (permalink)  
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People sometimes raise a paired board because it improved their hand... like he has a ten in his hand and figures you don't have a queen so he has the best hand with AT
you'll lose more often than not, but the pot odds are too huge
you have to make this call
He has Qx or better here almost always. 15.5:1 not good enough unless I suspect he's capable of senseless plays on the river.
.5/1 Hold'em
Meaning assume "yes, he's capable of senseless plays on the river unless proved otherwise"

You wouldn't believe the crap that people bet

People tend to underestimate how HARD it is to get a high percent of time to be right

For example, in a class exercise where we had to get 95% of the questions right by giving a RANGE (how long does a giraffe live? I put down 4 yrs-100 yrs because hell if I know) no more no less

the top guy had 16 correct

He though he had 95% correct but he only had 80%
The average was 50% and you could even put down 1-100000 if you wanted but you're always afraid of "overshooting"
The correct way is to guess 1-10000000000 on all of them but one :)

But in poker this shows in the thin calls that you make... you always think that you won't win the hand 8% of the time. But for him to have a better hand here 92% of the time... it would be impossible to have such a high rate without a strong read. Donks play kind of randomly. You HAVE TO call down here.
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