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TylerK
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07-14-2005, 05:09 AM
Post subject: Another 6-max hand: river play
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If I'm asking stupid and basic questions, feel free to shut me down. I'm new at 6-max.
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Preflop: Hero is SB with A , K .
UTG calls, MP raises, Button calls, Hero 3-bets, BB calls, UTG calls, MP calls, Button calls.
Flop: (15 SB) 4, K , 4 (5 players)
Hero bets, BB calls, UTG calls, MP folds, Button calls.
Turn: (9.50 BB) T (4 players)
Hero bets, BB calls, UTG calls, Button calls.
River: (13.50 BB) 9 (4 players)
Hero bets, planning to fold to a raise.
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TylerK: its just gambling if i want to worry about money i'll go to work lol
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Nehmer
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wow, words can't hardly express how shitty that river card is  I honestly have no idea what I would do on that river, but I think bet/fold is probably fine, unless it goes 2 of them fold to your bet and the last guy raises in which case I would probably call the raise. This one is definately not a basic or stupid question at all.
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You've got to make that call even with a raise. JQ already has you beat and you shouldn't be THAT scared of a flush draw. You'll be good at least 7% of the time as even the most stupidest of players raise the river with absolutly nothing hoping to catch you off guard.
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TylerK
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Originally Posted by elipsesjeff
You've got to make that call even with a raise. JQ already has you beat and you shouldn't be THAT scared of a flush draw. You'll be good at least 7% of the time as even the most stupidest of players raise the river with absolutly nothing hoping to catch you off guard.
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Heads-up sure, but with 4 players in?
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TylerK: its just gambling if i want to worry about money i'll go to work lol
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Originally Posted by TylerK
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Originally Posted by elipsesjeff
You've got to make that call even with a raise. JQ already has you beat and you shouldn't be THAT scared of a flush draw. You'll be good at least 7% of the time as even the most stupidest of players raise the river with absolutly nothing hoping to catch you off guard.
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Heads-up sure, but with 4 players in? |
If you are that unsure, then why not check/call this river?
Even if there were 4 to a flush on the board you'd still have odds to call a raise. The pot is too big to let down here. The only way I see a fold is if you were up against a raise, and a reraise to make it two for you to call.
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TylerK
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This is why you're playing 15/30 and I'm playing 3/6. 
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TylerK: its just gambling if i want to worry about money i'll go to work lol
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elipsesjeff
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Originally Posted by TylerK
This is why you're playing 15/30 and I'm playing 3/6.
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The 15/30 game plays like 5/10 6 max.
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Originally Posted by elipsesjeff
The 15/30 game plays like 5/10 6 max.
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You're talking full ring? I can't seem to find as many retards at 15/30 as I do in 5/10 6 max. Maybe I'm just not accustomed to the bet sizes and have played too passively up there.
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Nehmer
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Originally Posted by elipsesjeff
You've got to make that call even with a raise. JQ already has you beat and you shouldn't be THAT scared of a flush draw. You'll be good at least 7% of the time as even the most stupidest of players raise the river with absolutly nothing hoping to catch you off guard.
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Ok, I must be retarded, but I just can't figure out how JQ already has him beat...
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dwags222
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straight 9 to k
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elipsesjeff
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Originally Posted by Nehmer
Ok, I must be retarded, but I just can't figure out how JQ already has him beat...
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Ooops, thats my bad, I thought I saw the broadway.
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Originally Posted by elipsesjeff
The 15/30 game plays like 5/10 6 max.
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You're talking full ring? I can't seem to find as many retards at 15/30 as I do in 5/10 6 max. Maybe I'm just not accustomed to the bet sizes and have played too passively up there. |
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dunno about you guys...this seems like a pretty easy check/call or check/fold...
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dunno about you guys...this seems like a pretty easy check/call or check/fold...
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I hope you arent serious.
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i think it's very likely at least 1 of the other 3 players has the flush draw, considering they all played like it.
btw, for me it's check/call when it's 1 back. check/fold 2 back.
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Didn't I read in HEFAP that you shouldn't check the river too often when a scare card hits because then you give your opponents the opportunity to check behind and show down their marginal hands for cheap? But I'm not sure how much that concept applies in a 4-way multi-pot.
Yes it's 6-max, but there are 4 players still interested in that pot. So, is a check-call line really all that bad here? That way you don't put yourself in the position of having to fold to a raise or call two bets?
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