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Old 10-07-2006, 10:25 AM     Post subject: Anosmic's Big Blindathon pt2 #1 (permalink)  
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More BB hands, this first one is a big problem of mine. Do I check/fold the turn? The river?

Hand 1
Limit Hold'em CryptoLogic ($1/$2)
Converted by FTRConv
10-handed

StacksMP2: $100
MP3: $50.50
CO: $60.50
BTN: $32.50
SB: $48
BB: $62.75
Hero: $46.25
UTG+1: $22.50
UTG+2: $76.75
MP1: $72.33


Pre-Flop: Hero is UTG with A K
UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 calls, MP1 folds, MP3 folds, CO folds, BTN folds, SB folds, Hero raises, UTG+2 calls,

Flop:(5.5SB) 4 Q 3 (4 players)
Hero bets, UTG+2 calls,

Turn:(4.75BB) J (4 players)
Hero bets, UTG+2 calls,

River:(6.75BB) 6 (4 players)
Hero checks, UTG+2 bets, Hero calls,
Final Pot: 8.75 BB


Hand 2
Too weak?

Limit Hold'em CryptoLogic ($1/$2)
Converted by FTRConv
9-handed

StacksUTG: $123.38
UTG+1: $151.26
UTG+2: $34.01
MP1: $76
MP2: $48.25
CO: $63.25
BTN: $77.50
SB: $78
Hero: $43.50


Pre-Flop: Hero is BB with 9 9
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 folds, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, CO folds, BTN calls, SB calls, Hero raises, UTG+1 calls, BTN calls, SB calls,

Flop:(8SB) 6 A 6 (4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, UTG+1 calls, BTN folds, SB calls,

Turn:(7BB) 2 (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG+1 checks,

River:(7BB) Q (3 players)
SB bets, Hero folds, UTG+1 folds,
Final Pot: 8 BB

Hand 3
Pre-flop raise stinks with A3, even on tight/passive table?
Post-flop? This is worth a try, right? Only needs to work 1 time in five?

Limit Hold'em CryptoLogic ($1/$2)
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10-handed

StacksSB: $68.25
Hero: $62.25
UTG: $4
UTG+1: $83
UTG+2: $93.75
MP1: $60.37
MP2: $42.50
MP3: $38
CO: $65.25
BTN: $64.25


Pre-Flop: Hero is BB with A 3
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 folds, MP1 folds, MP2 calls, MP3 folds, CO calls, BTN folds, SB folds, Hero raises, MP2 calls, CO calls,

Flop:(6.5SB) 7 5 K (3 players)
Hero bets, MP2 raises, CO folds, Hero folds,

Final Pot: 6.25 BB


Hand 4
Bet the river here? Or was the turn bet bad?

Limit Hold'em CryptoLogic ($1/$2)
Converted by FTRConv
10-handed

StacksHero: $53.25
UTG: $66
UTG+1: $58.75
UTG+2: $48
MP1: $102.50
MP2: $17.20
MP3: $86.24
CO: $16.50
BTN: $39.88
SB: $39


Pre-Flop: Hero is BB with A 4
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 folds, MP1 folds, MP2 calls, MP3 folds, CO calls, BTN folds, SB folds, Hero checks,

Flop:(3.5SB) 2 A Q (3 players)
Hero bets, MP2 calls, CO calls,

Turn:(4.75BB) K (3 players)
Hero bets, MP2 calls, CO calls,

River:(7.75BB) 7 (3 players)
Hero checks, MP2 checks, CO checks,
Final Pot: 7.75 BB
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Old 10-07-2006, 11:10 AM #2 (permalink)  
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Hand 1: so, in other words, you did something we can only guess at, another player called, the big blind fell off the face of the earth, you raised your own limp... do I have it right so far?

Hand 2: raising out of position in four way pots with middle pair is not a great idea. The chance of overcards coming is significant, you don't have much better than a one-quarter of a chance of winning this pot even against hands as weak as KJo, 86s, and ATo, and being out of position puts you at a major disadvantage on each round. After getting two unlikely calls on the flop I think you did well to check/fold. Unless you're playing against opponents who routinely call here with two undercards and no draw, betting the turn makes no sense. You're beaten, and at least you got the free shot at a 9.

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Pre-flop raise stinks with A3, even on tight/passive table?
'fraid so. Combined with hand two it suggests you need to get a better grasp on the value of position in a hand. Betting the fairly ragged flop isn't a bad play, and once you're raised, folding is a good thing.

Hand 4: Hard to say. CO might have raised preflop with an Ace and a kicker that would play here, but if so and it goes check-check- he's probably betting. Anyone with 2 of the top 3 would have raised at some point. You'd think so, anyway. There was no draw worth a call on the flop except Q and a card, but that's not a hand a sane person then calls the turn with unless it's something like QJ or QT. Hard to say. Let's give one KJ, and the other QT. Bet the river!
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Old 10-07-2006, 01:37 PM #3 (permalink)  
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Hand 1:
wtf?? *I* was BB. Stupid converter written by a brainless idiot...
oh wait... I used my converter didn't I?

Hand 4:
Nice analysis. Actually up against JJ, QT, so you were close.
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Old 10-07-2006, 06:05 PM #4 (permalink)  
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 You're idea on hand 3 is not correct. It does not have to work 1 out of 5 times, it had to work 1 out of 5 times for two seperate players. If there is one person in this pot I see it as a good play, however, not with more than 1. Also, i don't like to do it on this board, suited board and a big card, doesn't make it the best board to do this to against more than one opponent.
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Old 10-07-2006, 11:35 PM #5 (permalink)  
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You're idea on hand 3 is not correct. It does not have to work 1 out of 5 times, it had to work 1 out of 5 times for two seperate players. If there is one person in this pot I see it as a good play, however, not with more than 1. Also, i don't like to do it on this board, suited board and a big card, doesn't make it the best board to do this to against more than one opponent.
I like the way big fills out the thinking process here--it's a better analysis than mine was. I was primarily concerned with supporting the idea of folding to a raise in these situations (calling the raise would be insane).
I'm not as certain that, if you're going to raise preflop, betting out is bad here. The limpers were MP2 and the CO. It wouldn't be rare to catch them with hands like A6s and JTs, or 88 and QJo. The trick is to have them to fold these hands to your flop bet. and a helluva lot of players simply don't. That leaves you with callers, the turn comes, and you're likely lost--even if you're ahead you won't know what to do--you can't keep betting if a blank comes, and if someone bets a draw you won't know to call... In low stakes games, this is the kind of situation where loose callers cost you money, instead of making you money. Unless you had a read on both opponents as players who readily fold if the flop doens't hit them, bigspenda may well be right.

I do think, though, the presence of a big card helps your (admittedly minority) cause in that a lot of players will make loose flop calls with two overcards, but not one.

So--the more I think about it, the more I'm betting here unless I'm up against people who routinely call this flop with Ah6h, QcTc, JsTs...
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Old 10-08-2006, 12:26 AM     Post subject: Hand # 3 #6 (permalink)  
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Well, I kind of agree with bigspenda. Against one player, it is an ok play once in a while (but mostly against a weak tight player that will give up the flop quickly).

But definitely not with two.

But don't go crazy with this play. Your odds are not as good as you think!

It has to work more thant 1 in 5. You're raise is not going to win the pot preflop. You need to follow through with a bet on the flop and hope to pick it up then. Your raise is 1 SB and they will probably only call. So, true that is 1 in 5. But for this play to work, you need to follow through with a second bet on the flop. So, hoping that they both fold to a flop bet, this move will actually cost you 2Sb to win 5SB. You need it to work about 2 in 5.

And with one player, true you need it to work 2 in 3. But the chances of someone only one player catching something to take the lead against you is much less to. So, it may seem like kind of a wash and there is not a huge difference between one or two players.

But a bigger difference is the resulting flop pot odds. With one player and you betting out, the pot odds for your oppoents 5:1. With two players the pot odds are 7:1 (plus better implied odds). (it is the difference between being correct to draw to two overs) So, on a multi-way flop , the opponents are going to be more inclined to continue, and rightfully so with better pot/drawing odds.

Just something to think about.... just my two cents...

And a good thing to keep in the back of your head when you try any kind of play like this. It is always easier to trick one person. But convincing multiple people is hard!

The key to this type of play is to pick your spots well... identify the right player to pull this off against.
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Old 10-08-2006, 02:00 AM #7 (permalink)  
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 In all honesty I did not see that you had raised hand 3 preflop. This being the case I think you have to cbet. However, I am not raising Axs here with two limpers b/c it does not accomplish anything you would want a PF raise to accomplish.

1. It will not thin the field
2. You are not building a larger pot w/ the best hand
---You are OOP post flop, with a hand that does not flop well


All in all, the cbet is the right move here. I just thot you were trying to steal the pot w/ a flop donk.
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