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koolmoe
Old 06-14-2005, 02:02 PM     Post subject: Anatomy of a check-raise bluff #1 (permalink)  
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The mark:

PV shows me:
VP$IP: 35%
PFR%: 20%
AF: 5
WtSD: 26%

The hand:

Party Poker 5/10 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is BB with J, 3.
UTG raises, 4 folds, Hero calls.

UTG will raise a wide range of hands, so there's no need to fear an overpair here. I'm hoping my cards are live or that UTG will miss badly.

Flop: (4.40 SB) 7, 5, 7 (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets, Hero calls.

This is a good flop for me. It likely missed UTG, and since I called from the BB, a 7 is a possibility for me.

Turn: (3.20 BB) 9 (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets, Hero raises, UTG folds.

Turn isn't the greatest card since a diamond flush draw might call my raise, but I have good odds of getting a fold on the turn with that board against someone who doesn't go to showdown that often.

Final Pot: 6.20 BB

This is getting to be a pretty standard play for me against an aggressive raiser who doesn't go to showdown very often.
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Old 06-14-2005, 03:45 PM #2 (permalink)  
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 i believe this is a common blind defense play for higher limit games like the 5/10 you are playing. john vorhaus describes it in his book "killer poker." don't try it at the small limits though, because it only works if the raiser (usually the button on a blind steal) is intelligent and not a fish. and if you do it too often, people will catch on and you will lose a lot more than you gain.

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Old 06-15-2005, 08:07 AM #3 (permalink)  
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blind defense hardly exists at 2-4. I would imagine those turn raises hit a bit harder at 5-10 and above, for obvious reasons.
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Old 06-15-2005, 09:04 AM #4 (permalink)  
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jmontis
blind defense hardly exists at 2-4. I would imagine those turn raises hit a bit harder at 5-10 and above, for obvious reasons.

uhh which 2/4 game do you play at?? partypoker everyone becomes johnny chan and call down with any two cards
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Old 06-15-2005, 07:36 PM #5 (permalink)  
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 that is his point. defending your blind with a checkraise on the turn is useless at low limits like 2/4 because you can't get anyone to fold.
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Old 06-15-2005, 07:40 PM #6 (permalink)  
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 Great point koolmoe. I fold to a check raise on the turn with many cards as you do not see that bluff way too often. Check/raising on the flop however is probably the worst giveaway that you do not have a hand. So many times have I been check raised on the flop with middle pair or even two shitty overcards. If I have an Ace I'm calling down the flop check raise.

In most situations I fold to all turn check raises unless I have Top Pair or better or a decent draw.


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Old 06-15-2005, 07:57 PM #7 (permalink)  
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the stop and go like koolmoe is making here is the move that I fear/hate the most.

I think that this move will work out pretty ok, however it is still expensive so how much +EV it is I don't know.

I definately think it is +EV agianst this weak/tight player
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