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Romulus141

11-13-2005, 06:33 PM Post subject: Analyze these hands please

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Finally got some time in to play poker this weekend. Here are some hands.

Hand #1:

Only played a couple of hands at this table, and the opponents that stayed in the hand I haven't played with before.

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Preflop: Hero is MP2 with 7

, 7

.
3 folds, Hero raises, MP3 calls, CO 3-bets, 3 folds, Hero calls, MP3 calls.

Flop: (9.50 SB) A

, A

, 9

(3 players)
Hero checks, MP3 checks, CO bets, Hero calls, MP3 calls.

Turn: (6.25 BB) 7

(3 players)
Hero bets, MP3 folds, CO calls.

River: (8.25 BB) A

(2 players)
Hero bets, CO raises, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 12.25 BB

Results in white below:
BB doesn't show.
Hero has 7h 7c (full house, aces full of sevens).
CO has Kc Kh (full house, aces full of kings).
Outcome: CO wins 12.25 BB.

Hand #2:

Button puts money in the pot about 22% of the time, raises preflop 4% of the time, and is typically passive post-flop.

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Preflop: Hero is CO with T

, T

.
2 folds, Hero raises, Button calls, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: (8 SB) 8

, 6

, 2

(4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets, Button calls, SB folds, BB calls.

Turn: (5.50 BB) 7

(3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, Button raises, BB folds, Hero calls.

River: (9.50 BB) T

(2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 11.50 BB

Results in white below:
Hero has Th Ts (three of a kind, tens).
Button has Kd Kc (flush, king high).
Outcome: Button wins 11.50 BB.

Hand #3:

Didn't have reads on the button. Did I play the end of this hand too passively?

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Preflop: Hero is MP2 with J

, J

.
2 folds, Hero raises, 2 folds, Button calls, 1 fold, BB calls, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: (7.50 SB) 8

, 6

, 5

(4 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero bets, Button calls, BB calls, UTG+1 calls.

Turn: (5.75 BB) 5

(4 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero bets, Button raises, BB folds, UTG+1 folds, Hero calls.

River: (9.75 BB) 3

(2 players)
Hero checks, Button checks.

Final Pot: 9.75 BB

Results in white below:
MP1 doesn't show.
Hero has Js Jc (two pair, jacks and fives).
Button has Td Tc (two pair, tens and fives).
Outcome: Hero wins 9.75 BB.

Hand #4:

MP3 puts money in the pot about 47% of the time, raises preflop about 3% of the time, and is passive post-flop.

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Preflop: Hero is CO with 6

, 6

.
4 folds, MP3 calls, Hero raises, 3 folds, MP3 calls.

Flop: (5.50 SB) Q

, 3

, Q

(2 players)
MP3 checks, Hero bets, MP3 calls.

Turn: (3.75 BB) A

(2 players)
MP3 checks, Hero bets, MP3 calls.

River: (5.75 BB) 4

(2 players)
MP3 checks, Hero bets, MP3 calls.

Final Pot: 7.75 BB

Results in white below:
MP3 has Td Ts (two pair, queens and tens).
Hero has 6d 6h (two pair, queens and sixes).
Outcome: MP3 wins 7.75 BB.

Hand #5:

UTG+1 puts money in the pot 16% of the time, raises preflop about 6-7% of the time, and is aggressive post-flop.

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Preflop: Hero is BB with A

, Q

.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, 1 fold, MP2 calls, 3 folds, Hero raises, UTG+1 calls, MP2 calls.

Flop: (6.50 SB) 5

, T

, A

(3 players)
Hero bets, UTG+1 raises, MP2 calls, Hero 3-bets, UTG+1 caps, MP2 calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (9.25 BB) K

(3 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets, MP2 folds, Hero calls.

River: (11.25 BB) T

(2 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 13.25 BB

Results in white below:
Hero has Ad Qh (two pair, aces and tens).
UTG+1 has 5d 5s (full house, fives full of tens).
Outcome: UTG+1 wins 13.25 BB.

Hand #6:

I just sat down at this table, so no reads, and I post a blind.

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Preflop: Hero is CO with K

, 6

. Hero posts a blind of $0.10.
UTG calls, 2 folds, MP2 calls, Hero (poster) checks, 1 fold, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (5 SB) T

, 2

, 6

(5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, MP2 checks, Hero bets, SB calls, BB folds, UTG folds, MP2 calls.

Turn: (4 BB) 7

(3 players)
SB checks, MP2 checks, Hero bets, SB calls, MP2 calls.

River: (7 BB) 6

(3 players)
SB checks, MP2 bets, Hero raises, SB calls, MP2 folds.

Final Pot: 12 BB

Results in white below:
SB has 2s Th (two pair, tens and sixes).
Hero has Kd 6s (three of a kind, sixes).
Outcome: Hero wins 12 BB.

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Romulus141

11-14-2005, 04:12 PM

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bump

pokerfanatic

11-14-2005, 07:26 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Romulus141

bump

one thing that pisses me off the most is when i see posts like this one... don't bump topics...

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11-14-2005, 07:28 PM

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Meh.

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Romulus141

11-14-2005, 07:35 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by pokerfanatic

Quote:

Originally Posted by Romulus141

bump

one thing that pisses me off the most is when i see posts like this one... don't bump topics...

I apologize. I won't do it again.

pokerfanatic

11-14-2005, 08:24 PM

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Anyways now that I got that off my chest sorry for sounding like a dick,

Hand1: nice 2 outer... your raise PF is very marginal... when you get 3 bet I figure him for AKo/s, AQs/o (maybe), AJs (maybe), AA-TT, KQs (maybe), depends on what kind of player he is from there... but at best you are a coin flip 90% the time here...

When the flop hits AA9 I figure you have 2 outs, pot is 10.5:1 on your call and you need 22:1 to draw easy fold... but since you took it too far you hit put then the river comes down and again I don't think you are good easy fold... you could have saved 3bb on this hand when you were behind, 0.5bb PF, 0.5BB flop, then 2bb on the river...

Hand 2:
button cold calls which is typical a sing of a piss poor player, I like you flop beat but I hardly ever see a raise on the turn at this level without the flush there I fold... (saving 2bb), on the river you improved but 3 way it's about a 5% chance they don't have the flush... and I hate your lead if you are going to SD c/c, you lost an extra 3bb then I would have I on this hand

Hand 3: PF and Flop are fine, I think I would have 3 bet the turn though, I see players make this play with TP or 99 and TT thinking there over pair is good and you have 2OC... there, however if you are capped I would probability call and c/c the river, I’m only c/c the river because the pot is so big at that point folding for 1bb would be dumb only need to be good there about 15%... however no reads c/c down isn't to bad... any one else got an opinion?

Hand 4: firing all 3 barrels is a bad thing here with the Ace and Queen out I’m checking behind when he is still calling by the river, sure I give up one bet but AXo/s is probably his hand since to many plays at that level over value it... so I give up one bet when I’m behind but I save one bet when I’m ahead so it's really 50/50, either way... also if he is extremely passive he could easily have a pocket pair that might beat you...

Hand 5: fold the turn, I figure on the flop he has AT, A5 or the nut FD, maybe AK if he is passive PF... all of the hands put him on when he caps beat you on the turn, you get 10.25:1 on your call assuming that your draws are live... I figure at best you have 3 outs, given a Jc is not going to be good most of the time so you have 14.3:1 shoot in a 10.25:1 pot FOLD!!! You would have saved yourself 2bb

Hand6: fine you got a lucky river I figure after the flop you had 5 outs given you are 3 way I’m assuming one of them has a T... so taking a free card on the turn isn't that bad a play, when you improve the river you usually get a raise off from the T thinking he is good and beating into you... so you loose one bet in this hand if you take my line but in lone run you will loose 2bb beating this down, where I can make an easy fold unimproved on the river unless I have some great read, but at this level people don't donk bet bluff the river often enough for it to make much a difference...

I think you need to work on counting pot odds and reading your opponents. Are you using PT? How many tables do you play at once? Do you even try to think about what your opponents are playing? From what I have seen it’s like you are playing only your cards and not your opponents, you look like an aggressive fish that won’t let god of a pair

Don’t try to push 0.5/1 players off there hands hell don’t try it at any level if they play bad, it will cost you 1000s of bets in the long run…

Romulus141

11-15-2005, 12:37 AM

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[quote="pokerfanatic"]Hand1: nice 2 outer... your raise PF is very marginal... when you get 3 bet I figure him for AKo/s, AQs/o (maybe), AJs (maybe), AA-TT, KQs (maybe), depends on what kind of player he is from there... but at best you are a coin flip 90% the time here...

When the flop hits AA9 I figure you have 2 outs, pot is 10.5:1 on your call and you need 22:1 to draw easy fold... but since you took it too far you hit put then the river comes down and again I don't think you are good easy fold... you could have saved 3bb on this hand when you were behind, 0.5bb PF, 0.5BB flop, then 2bb on the river...[\quote]

I see now. My problem was that I was counting the possibility of an ace coming as 2 outs as well, since either a 2 or an ace would give me a full house. Granted, if he has an ace then I'm drawing dead, so I can't really give myself those 2 additional outs.

Quote:

Originally Posted by pokerfanatic

I think you need to work on counting pot odds and reading your opponents. Are you using PT? How many tables do you play at once? Do you even try to think about what your opponents are playing? From what I have seen it’s like you are playing only your cards and not your opponents, you look like an aggressive fish that won’t let god of a pair

Don’t try to push 0.5/1 players off there hands hell don’t try it at any level if they play bad, it will cost you 1000s of bets in the long run…

Yeah, I'm still working out counting outs, since as you saw, I gave myself an additional two outs when I shouldn't have. I do know about them though, since I've read SSH. I play 2 tables at once at the 0.10/0.20 level since I can see both of them at the screen at the same time.

Hopefully it'll click someday. Until then I'll keep working at my game, posting hands, and reading books on poker.

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