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euphoricism

12-11-2005, 09:58 PM Post subject: Analyze my position stats...

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I suck at PT - so what is the following telling me? Where am I losing the bulk of my money? In the blinds, right?

Edit: This is 5/10 6max with a 2/5 blinds. Im "expected to lose money" in the blinds - the point is how much. Am I losing too much?

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12-11-2005, 10:03 PM

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BB play isnt that horrible, I've hadmuch worse and still killed a game. At -.21 BB you're only about .06 BB/hand away from the optimal target, Thats only 36 BB. You aren't playing that bad, at least from these stats you're only down 90 BB over a period of around 2 days.

Plus, not much to tell from these stats.

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12-11-2005, 10:11 PM

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I need to post some AK hands.

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12-11-2005, 10:17 PM

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On second thought you 'may' be too loose that you are unable to outplay your opponents this much with marginal hands.

I ran around 22 vpip /15 PFR so you might be limping then dumping too much on the flop. I would much rather see a 20/15 style than a 24/14. But, just my thoughts, make sure you arent over playing marginal drawing hands OOP.

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12-11-2005, 10:20 PM

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You shouldn't be losing money in any position except the blinds in the long run, since those will only be hands you are purposely putting money into the pot with(I assume you aren't playing many -EV hands preflop). This sample size is small to the point of being completely useless for analyzing positional play. Get in a few...hundred...thousand more hands at each position then we can talk

for what it's worth though in 6-max play, I am running a little worse than you from the SB and slightly better from the BB through almost 150,000 hands total.

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12-11-2005, 10:38 PM

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This might be wrong I’m taking a stab at what I think please correct me if I’m wrong...

Looks like over playing things like KJo UTG possibly... check off suited broadways OOP/ EP and see what you come across those should not be negative... UTG/MP, you might be over stealing CO seems like a smaller number then that should be there? Button play looks ok on the surface...

I would need to see more then just that to narrow it down some... However, in no shape or form have the experience in 6 max like some others have...

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12-11-2005, 11:39 PM

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Small samplesize, but shouldn't your VP$IP increase as you move closer to button.

I think theres some EV in stealing more from CO.

Why no raises from BB..? If you have a 40% ATT. Steal blinds raising from button then I 3-bet him liberately whenever SB folds ofcourse. Heck A9 is worth 3-bets from there IMO.

When I get home I'll post my stats from 10K hands and we can analyze the differences, but I'm a lag however

Demiparadigm

12-11-2005, 11:43 PM

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I agree with pfan.

It looks like you are playing way too many hands up front that you are losing money with.

Go through what you are playing UTG and MP, and cut out the crap that is losing you money.

Your blind play looks okay.

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12-12-2005, 05:32 AM

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I'm a retard with web stuff and how to host an image so I'll just write my positional numbers.

25K hands. half from 3/6 and other half 5/10
VP$IP: 26,96
VOL. from SB: 27,71
Fold sb to steal: 85,24
Folded bb to steal: 45,84
Att. to steal: 39,34
Won $ when seen flop: 40,16
went to showdown: 36,71
Son at showdwon: 53,31
Preflop raise: 19,76
winrate: 1,81BB/100

# of BTN..VP$IP...WIn%...won $ WSF...BB/hand...Went SD...Won SD..PFR
3........... 19,18... 10,33.... 49,37......... 0,12....... 42,28... 55,69. 18,61

2........... 23,62... 12,11.... 43,93......... 0,05....... 45,15... 49,73. 19,42

1............ 26,86.. 14,66.... 47,91......... 0,10....... 42,25... 57,58. 24,73

BTN........ 28,90.. 15,23.... 46,22......... 0,12....... 41,58... 54,21. 24,46

SB........... 27,71.. 13,45.... 43,03....... (0,07)...... 36,98... 56,73. 17,38

BB........... 30,82.. 27,6..... 32,25........ (0,15)...... 30,21... 50,30. 10,93

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12-12-2005, 05:47 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by StinkyBeaver

Filter for 6 people in the pot. I'm pretty sure you've got some 3-4 handed play in there driving your numbers up. Only because a 27 vpip/20 pfr is nuts in a full 6 handed game.

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12-12-2005, 07:01 AM

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filtered for 5-6 players. 23K hands

VP$IP:26
PFR : 18
Filtered for 6handed only 14K hands

VP$IP:24
PFR: 17

OK so I haven't got all that many hands so I could be running good here, but why is my laggy style so nuts. there are quite a few solid 30/20 players out there who have more than decent winrates.

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12-12-2005, 04:34 PM

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I shadowed Euph for like 1 to 2 hours I think, and I saw many things that I found interesting, I saw some lines that I would have played extremely differently...

However, over all I think I saw him missing bets A LOT given the players he was against... I saw him miss 4 river bets for value in about 30min at one point... I saw him cap a flop then go passive on the turn with AQ on a Axx flop and a rag turn, though the maniac lead into him I think the best play is to still raise because the FD and there was a guy that cold called two times on the flop along for the ride, however he has the odds for the call you still make it more expensive on him when he misses to make the bad calls PF then to make a correct cold call on the turn... I think I raise there if I get 3 bet I’ll slow down at that point... Euph maybe you can post that hand I don't have it in my PT...

I also saw that he seemed to get scared of a river card even if it was highly unlikely that the player he was HU with had the hand... one I remember was he had AQ on a Q97 flop turn was a blank river was a T, obviously he raised PF and flop bet the turn and had position on the river and was checked to... only thing that I think might have hit that river was 68 or 8J and I don't think he has it there this guy probably would have donked into you if he hit... even if he c/r would he really make that play on a bluff? Maybe find that hand I know it was something along those lines might not have been AQ...

Over all I just see random misplays, some over calling here and there, but I couldn't find anything specific other then getting too passive late streets...

Just my random thoughts after ghosting Euph... Euph maybe you can go though your sessions and look for spots you missed bets or could have saved them, and add it up and report back where you stand if you played optimally even when running bad...

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12-12-2005, 11:24 PM

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That was 99% of my problem, pussying out on the river after running bad ("every river is going to fuck me. I should just check behind") - this type of mini-tilt thinking ends up costing you a lot of money very quickly.

As soon as I consciously started betting more rivers, I gained 60 bets.

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01-02-2006, 07:06 AM Post subject: Re: Analyze my position stats...

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Quote:

Originally Posted by euphoricism

I suck at PT - so what is the following telling me? Where am I losing the bulk of my money? In the blinds, right?

Edit: This is 5/10 6max with a 2/5 blinds. Im "expected to lose money" in the blinds - the point is how much. Am I losing too much?

Hi Euphoricism

I think there may be something wrong with the way your PT is sorting your hands. If you had these stats sorted for 6 of 6 players, then the total hands should be just about the same in all positions (which they are not for you). If you have them sorted for "hands between 2 and 6 players", then there is no way that you could have more hands UTG (1) than MP (2), or more hands MP (2) than you do at CO (3), etc.

In short, your "total hands" stats are not possible no matter how they are sorted.
Anyone have any idea what might be wrong with his PT sorting.

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Demiparadigm

01-02-2006, 09:36 AM

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it should say:
button
1
2
3

the numbers are upside down.

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ArcticKnight

01-02-2006, 07:07 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Demiparadigm

it should say:
button
1
2
3

the numbers are upside down.

Right you are....they are backwards. It's confusing to look at the stats the way Euphoricism has them, though

I much prefer the default setting of

Button
CO (1)
MP (2)
UTG (3)
BB
SB

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