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Old 09-15-2005, 03:52 AM     Post subject: Analysis on specific hands (series): KK and JJ #1 (permalink)  
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Hi guys,
I would appreciate if you could give some analysis/opinion on my play .

On all the hands I was beat on the flop
so my main question is Is there any way I could have saved some bets on any hand and which street would I lay it down and why ?
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Put villain on 2 pair or gutshot straight draw. Should I lay it down on river or before ??


Hand 1:

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Preflop: Hero is MP2 with K, K. Hero posts a blind of $1.
3 folds, Hero (poster) raises, 1 fold, CO calls, 3 folds.

Flop: (5.50 SB) 7, 8, J (2 players)
Hero bets, CO raises, Hero 3-bets, CO caps, Hero calls.

Turn: (6.75 BB) Q (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets, Hero calls.

River: (8.75 BB) 3 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 10.75 BB

Results in white below:
Hero has Kd Ks (one pair, kings).
CO has 9d Tc (straight, queen high).
Outcome: CO wins 10.75 BB.
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Hand 2: Put Villain on big pair. Check called all the way from turn. is that ok ??

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Preflop: Hero is SB with K, K.
2 folds, MP1 calls, 1 fold, CO calls, 1 fold, Hero raises, BB 3-bets, MP1 calls, CO folds, Hero caps, BB calls, MP1 calls.

Flop: (13 SB) 8, 6, 3 (3 players)
Hero bets, BB raises, MP1 folds, Hero 3-bets, BB caps, Hero calls.

Turn: (10.50 BB) J (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets, Hero calls.

River: (12.50 BB) T (2 players)
Hero checks, BB checks.

Final Pot: 12.50 BB

Results in white below:
Hero has Kc Kd (one pair, kings).
BB has Ad Ac (one pair, aces).
Outcome: BB wins 12.50 BB.

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Hand 3: Put Villain on big pair. Check called all the way from turn. is that ok ?? Or should I bet at least 1 more street.


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Preflop: Hero is Button with K, K.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, MP1 raises, 1 fold, Hero 3-bets, SB calls, 2 folds, MP1 caps, Hero calls, SB calls.

Flop: (14 SB) Q, 8, 5 (4 players)
SB checks, MP1 bets, Hero raises, SB folds, MP1 3-bets, Hero calls.

Turn: (10 BB) A (3 players)
MP1 bets, Hero calls.

River: (12 BB) J (3 players)
MP1 bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 14 BB

Results in white below:
MP1 has Ah Ad (three of a kind, aces).
CO doesn't show.
Hero has Ks Kh (one pair, kings).
Outcome: MP1 wins 14 BB.

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Hand 4: Played all right i think ??
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Preflop: Hero is SB with K, K.
UTG calls, 6 folds, Hero raises, 1 fold, UTG calls.

Flop: (5 SB) 4, T, 8 (2 players)
Hero bets, UTG raises, Hero 3-bets, UTG calls.

Turn: (5.50 BB) 7 (2 players)
Hero bets, UTG calls.

River: (7.50 BB) Q (2 players)
Hero bets, UTG calls.

Final Pot: 9.50 BB

Results in white below:
Hero has Kh Ks (one pair, kings).
UTG has 4h Td (two pair, tens and fours).
Outcome: UTG wins 9.50 BB.

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Tried to be sneaky and didnt reraise as i usually do. also waited for turn to raise but bad spot. other than reraising preflop and the flop do i play this any different ?? If I had raised the flop he would have 3 bet it and maybe I would have saved 1 extra bet on the turn. right ??
Hand 5:
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Preflop: Hero is MP2 with J, J.
2 folds, MP1 raises, Hero calls, 4 folds.

Flop: (5.50 SB) 4, 5, 8 (2 players)
MP1 bets, Hero calls.

Turn: (3.75 BB) 5 (2 players)
MP1 bets, Hero raises, MP1 3-bets, Hero calls.

River: (9.75 BB) 3 (2 players)
MP1 bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 11.75 BB

Results in white below:
MP1 has 4s 4d (full house, fours full of fives).
Hero has Jc Js (two pair, jacks and fives).
Outcome: MP1 wins 11.75 BB.

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Lay it down on the turn ?? a queen beats me and another overcard will kill me ??
Hand 6:
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Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with J, J.
1 fold, Hero raises, MP1 calls, 1 fold, MP3 calls, 2 folds, SB calls, 1 fold.

Flop: (9 SB) 9, 6, Q (4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, MP1 calls, MP3 folds, SB folds.

Turn: (5.50 BB) 7 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP1 bets, Hero calls.

River: (7.50 BB) 8 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP1 bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 9.50 BB

Results in white below:
Hero has Jh Jd (one pair, jacks).
MP1 has 6d 6c (three of a kind, sixes).
Outcome: MP1 wins 9.50 BB.
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Old 09-15-2005, 04:05 AM #2 (permalink)  
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hand 3: all possible hands that could beat you just came on the turn. fold.
hand 5: 3bet preflop and go from there. as played, fine.
hand 6: bet/fold the turn.
 
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Old 09-15-2005, 04:08 AM #3 (permalink)  
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Hand 1: bad luck against a cold caller that plays weak cards. If you're gonna lay this down, you have to on the turn because on the river, your hand is good enough to call

Hand 2: Just fine, surprised BB checked the river.

Hand 3: Action is leading me to believe MP has AA or AQ and filled up big time. Think about letting it go at the turn.

Hand 4: Just fine

Hand 5: Even if you 3bet preflop (which is optimum), 44 would still call for 1 more bet, then you'd likely get check/raised on the turn.

Hand 6: Lead the turn, you have 2nd pair but picked up your backdoor draw. You have 10 outs against a set, push your edge.
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Old 09-15-2005, 04:22 AM #4 (permalink)  
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1- good.
2- bet the turn, then call down.
3-cap the flop, fold the turn.
4- good
5- don't slowplay AA at these limits. NEVER slowplay JJ.
6- Also ugly. I bet the turn and fold to a raise.
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Old 09-15-2005, 05:52 AM #5 (permalink)  
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 You play is pretty much standard, except for hand 5 you want your opponent to think you have a much better hand than you actually do.

Hand 6: You've got to bet the turn and no, you don't fold to a raise here. You've got the flush redraw that is good enough times to justify a call, and by that point you aren't folding this river for one bet either.


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Old 09-15-2005, 06:41 AM     Post subject: Raise turn and fold #6 (permalink)  
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All 3 hands raise on flop.Raise turn and fold to reraise.There money saved.
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Hand 6: You've got to bet the turn and no, you don't fold to a raise here. You've got the flush redraw that is good enough times to justify a call, and by that point you aren't folding this river for one bet either.
whoops...missed the redraw
 
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Old 09-15-2005, 12:29 PM     Post subject: Re: Raise turn and fold #8 (permalink)  
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All 3 hands raise on flop.Raise turn and fold to reraise.There money saved.
Why would you ever fold these hands here? You are ahead here so many times because they never put you on an over pair and thus will overplay their own TPTK. SEcondly, youve got outs against a flopped two pair and the straights on those boards are very unlikely.


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