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cartilago77
Old 10-12-2005, 05:46 AM     Post subject: Am I right to slow down here? #1 (permalink)  
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or do you think I would have been correct to be re-raising throughout?

20/40 Texas Hold'em Game Table (Limit) - Tue Oct 11 04:28:51 EDT 2005
Table Table 67161 (Real Money) -- Seat 8 is the button
Total number of players : 4
Seat 1: gristle77 ( $1090.17)
Seat 3: caifei0510 ( $10853)
Seat 6: zokbarjazz ( $1540)
Seat 8: rocksong ( $706.50)
gristle77 posts small blind (10)
caifei0510 posts big blind (20)
** Dealing down cards **


Dealt to gristle77 [ Jc, Js ]
zokbarjazz raises (40) to 40
rocksong folds.
gristle77 raises (50) to 60
caifei0510 raises (60) to 80
zokbarjazz calls (40)
gristle77 calls (20)


** Dealing Flop ** : [ 2s, 9c, 8d ]
gristle77 bets (20)
caifei0510 raises (40) to 40
zokbarjazz raises (60) to 60
gristle77 calls (40)
caifei0510 calls (20)


** Dealing Turn ** : [ 8c ]
gristle77 checks.
caifei0510 checks.
zokbarjazz bets (40)
gristle77: the drama
gristle77 calls (40)
caifei0510 folds.

** Dealing River ** : [ 2h ]
gristle77 bets (40)
zokbarjazz calls (40)

** Summary ** In white
Main Pot: $578 | Rake: $2
Board: [ 2s 9c 8d 8c 2h ]
gristle77 balance $1448.17, bet $220, collected $578, net +$358 [ Jc Js ] [ two pairs, jacks and eights -- Jc,Js,9c,8d,8c ]
caifei0510 balance $10713, lost $140 (folded)
zokbarjazz balance $1320, lost $220 [ Ah 9d ] [ two pairs, nines and eights -- Ah,9d,9c,8d,8c ]
rocksong balance $706.50, didn't bet (folded)
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Old 10-12-2005, 06:02 AM #2 (permalink)  
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even if you led the turn, he probably wouldn't have raised it anyways
take your ego out of the equation and judge the situation dispassionately
 
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Old 10-12-2005, 07:12 AM #3 (permalink)  
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even if you led the turn, he probably wouldn't have raised it anyways
He was the inital bettor in the hand, called a cap, 3 bet the flop....
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Old 10-12-2005, 08:20 AM #4 (permalink)  
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People tend to give WAAYYYY too much action durring the early levels of a tourney. I think they're just fustrated they can't go all-in or something.

Anyway... I would at least cap the flop and maybe bump it once on the turn too.
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Old 10-12-2005, 08:23 AM #5 (permalink)  
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People tend to give WAAYYYY too much action durring the early levels of a tourney. I think they're just fustrated they can't go all-in or something.

Anyway... I would at least cap the flop and maybe bump it once on the turn too.
not a tourney.
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Old 10-12-2005, 08:45 AM #6 (permalink)  
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It's short-handed 20/40 limit. Do you have reads? This isn't the kind of spot where there is a clear cut answer. What is the raising and cold capping standards of your opponents?

That being said, capping the flop then bumping it once on the turn (or bet/call) is a pretty reasonable amount of action to give here.
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Old 10-12-2005, 08:50 AM #7 (permalink)  
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no real reads
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Old 10-12-2005, 08:52 AM #8 (permalink)  
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no real reads
Mind if I ask what you're doing in a 4-handed 20/40 game if you have no reads and don't know how far you're willing to push an over-pair?

Sorry if I sound harsh. You're a relativly new poster and you're asking a pretty ABC question with a hand history from short-handed and relativly high (online) stakes game. So I got to wonder if your biggest mistake here was sitting down at the table...
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Old 10-12-2005, 09:34 AM #9 (permalink)  
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Only person who had been on the table for more than 2 rotations was not in the hand.

Figured one had A-x and at least one other had a pair with the chance of that being a high pair.

3 raisers preflop.
2 raisers on the flop.

I LOVE me an overpair....LOVE. But to this level of betting action and the number of people involved would you be pounding it?
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Old 10-12-2005, 09:38 AM #10 (permalink)  
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I LOVE me an overpair....LOVE. But to this level of betting action and the number of people involved would you be pounding it?
I like a bet/call, check/raise or bet/3-bet on the turn depending on reads. Given how aggro these games get, check/call is too weak of a line without a read. You have a vunlnerable hand in a big pot, so getting out one of the 2 other guys would be spiffy.

For what it's worth, if this was heads-up, I would be looking to cap the flop and go 2 or 3 bets on the turn with a hand like this against a typical opponent (in a capped game.) In an uncapped game, 4 or 5 bets on the flop and a turn bump feels about right.
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Old 10-12-2005, 02:10 PM #11 (permalink)  
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well you were right to slow down til the turn...you had every right to believe you were beat, however when you checked on the turn and saw a check behind you...then the bet...you gotta raise that up...obviously the one was folding..and you will also see where you stand in the hand as well with the other guy. I'm pretty sure he doesnt cap a flop with middle pair so your good there and the aggressive play usually means AK AQ or he hit tp tk like he did... but you gotta raise that turn and see what happens...if he comes back over the top with a 3 bet...check call the river...
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Old 10-12-2005, 06:58 PM #12 (permalink)  
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well you were right to slow down til the turn...you had every right to believe you were beat
Certainly the other two guys have a hand too. Given how aggro I would expect these guys to be, I wouldn't think I was beat until raised or 3-bet on the turn.
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Old 10-12-2005, 07:21 PM #13 (permalink)  
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well you were right to slow down til the turn...you had every right to believe you were beat
Certainly the other two guys have a hand too. Given how aggro I would expect these guys to be, I wouldn't think I was beat until raised or 3-bet on the turn.
thats what i was getting at if you kept reading :P
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