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am i playing my AK and AQ in B&M correctly
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pokerlearner
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08-01-2005, 05:43 PM
Post subject: am i playing my AK and AQ in B&M correctly
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Flush
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: california
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Hi guys,
I have a question specifically regarding AK and AQ, specifically for B&M situation.
I raise AKs and AQs from any position. I would raise AKo from any position and AQo only from outside the blinds (specific reason is that since everyone is in raising just builds the pot for everone to stick around till the end and AQo doesnt fare that well.
If I dont catch my A or K on the flop and dont have any backdoor flush draw I check-fold on the flop. Sometimes I do an autobet and have seen that its useless as everyone calls it anyways. If i dont improve on the turn (pair my K or A or make 4 to a flush) I am definitely folding regardless of the size of the pot.
I know that poker is all about situations but does this seem approximately all right?
I have seen that by playing the above mentioned way, I lose least when I dont catch anything with AQ or AK on the flop, and if i catch a piece of it, then win good pots.
This excludes the cases where I catch my A or K and bet the whole way and someone makes 2 pair on the river and raises me and i am f**** but i make that crying call (though i shouldnt because people NEVER EVER raise in B&M on the river without 2 pair or better).
Also another problem is whenever I catch a piece of AK or AQ i never try to check raise as being preflop raiser, and B&M players being so passive and if i am out of position its going to get checked around.
But can a case be made to check the flop (even when I hit one of my cards) and bet the turn to keep the pot size smaller so that players give it up on turn and not go till the river. I have seen some players do that and i wonder if thats a correct play ?
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koolmoe
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08-01-2005, 08:50 PM
Post subject: Re: am i playing my AK and AQ in B&M correctly
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Originally Posted by pokerlearner
I would raise AKo from any position and AQo only from outside the blinds (specific reason is that since everyone is in raising just builds the pot for everone to stick around till the end and AQo doesnt fare that well.
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AQo is worth a raise in an unraised pot. The fact that it doesn't play so well multi-way is more reason to raise it (especially from early position), not less.
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Originally Posted by pokerlearner
If I dont catch my A or K on the flop and dont have any backdoor flush draw I check-fold on the flop.
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That's incredibly weak. You raised preflop with a hand that will pair the flop about 1/3 of the time. You should give yourself a better chance to win the pot than you get by just seeing the flop. Supposedly no one will fold to a preflop raise, so the pot ought to be big enough to see at least the turn to try to spike a pair. Betting at the pot may not be wise, but you should at least be able to call if the board isn't incredibly scary.
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Originally Posted by pokerlearner
I am definitely folding regardless of the size of the pot.
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In general, that is a bad qualifier to add to any strategy.
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Originally Posted by pokerlearner
I have seen that by playing the above mentioned way, I lose least when I dont catch anything with AQ or AK on the flop
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You could lose less by just folding preflop, but that's clearly not correct play. Poker is about rsk/reward. You should be willing to risk a bet or two when the reward is high.
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Originally Posted by pokerlearner
Also another problem is whenever I catch a piece of AK or AQ i never try to check raise as being preflop raiser, and B&M players being so passive and if i am out of position its going to get checked around.
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I don't like to attempt to check/raise in passive games. You need to be relatively sure that someone behind you will bet, otherwise you are just asking to get sucked out on by longshot drawers who *might* have otherwise folded the flop.
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Originally Posted by pokerlearner
But can a case be made to check the flop (even when I hit one of my cards) and bet the turn to keep the pot size smaller so that players give it up on turn and not go till the river. I have seen some players do that and i wonder if thats a correct play ?
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Most B&M players aren't counting the pot. Their decision to call on the turn will rarely depend on whether you built a pot on the flop but rather on whether their backdoor draws are still alive. At the lowest limits, B&M players will call down with any part of the board and call to the river with any draw. With that in mind, I'd rather build the pot if I am most likely to win it.
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mdwav
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Join Date: Jul 2005
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pokerlearner wrote:
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I would raise AKo from any position and AQo only from outside the blinds...AQo doesnt fare that well
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Against tricker/better opponents, I might go with your line. However, if you're playing the lower limits, I think a raise is in order. As koolmoe said, these guys will chase regardless of pot odds. Thus, keeping the pot small won't discourage chasers, and you won't necessarily increase your chances of winning the pot. Also, I think AQ has a big enough edge to raise pre-flop.
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I have seen that by playing the above mentioned way, I lose least when I dont catch anything with AQ or AK on the flop, and if i catch a piece of it, then win good pots.
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Worry less about minimizing your losses, concentrate on maximizing your wins.
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though i shouldnt because people NEVER EVER raise in B&M on the river without 2 pair or better).
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Depends. I've seen players raise the river with a worse hand than tptk often enough to warrant a call. You only have to be ahead a small percentage of the time to make it profitable. Also, consider that sometimes you just have to call to prevent people from bluffing you off pots in the future.
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Also another problem is whenever I catch a piece of AK or AQ i never try to check raise as being preflop raiser
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I don't like giving free cards either. On the other hand, never say never. Some players auto-bet their position when it's checked to them on the flop.
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