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Stagemn
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06-10-2007, 07:18 PM
Post subject: Am I OK to move up?
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Straight
Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 195
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BR: $320
Current Limit: $0.25/$0.50 on FT (just shy of 3K hands in PT)
Move up to $0.50/$1.00?
Win rate: +3.0 BB/100
Currently on a +10 BB/100 win rate over @1,400 hands.
BB Won for $0.25/$0.50:
Overall so far (played some $0.50/$1.00 hands recently - not bad):
Positional Stats:
Top Hands:
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bigspenda73
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Straight Flush
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Pwnsylvania
Posts: 7,545
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I would wait until you have $400 honestly.
To be brutally honest I just don't think you are ready from reading some of your responses in other threads. Play 10k more hands at .25/.50 at FTP. if you run 2bb/100 that'll leave you just past the $400 mark.
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Stagemn
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Straight
Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 195
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thanks spenda... was debating it.
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SHAKE
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Flush
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 278
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Is this 6 max or Full? How many tables do you play at a time?
If it is full and you 2 table i would play 1k more do smooth out the varience of your 12/100BB then move up if your roll is still over 300.
If your 4 tabling 6max, definatly get 8K hands in and have 350-400 BR
~shake
(i multi table 6 max FL from .51.0 to 4-8 depending whats profitable at what time. I maintaine about 1.90 bb/100 over about 125K hands at 7 different limits. Obviously some of the larger games sample sizes are small (1K or less) due to BR and avilibility. I built up a nice roll from 100 bucks on stars to about 700 spead out on 4 sites as of now, still bonuswhoring. BR managment is huge, and if you multitable and you dont have a HUD, get one. I really believe its ok to take shots at higer levels (1 table) if its extremly weak , (figure as long as you have 15o BB so a 300 BR take a shot at 1-2 one in a while) Isnt really that bad, Buy in for 30 BB, if you lose it ohh well, but if you really ARE playing at a fishy table the limit dosent matter the players do. All my higher level game stats are in the + because i only play them when donks are around. Sure i lose somtimes but when people are calling down 2nd pair nk, your gona make some cash eventually. Just dont bust out 4 tables and put your whole roll on the line.
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bigspenda73
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Straight Flush
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Pwnsylvania
Posts: 7,545
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Lol at 1k to smooth out variance, I hope you meant 10k at the least.
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RipperJ
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Join Date: May 2007
Location: Toronto
Posts: 97
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Originally Posted by SHAKE
Isnt really that bad, Buy in for 30 BB, if you lose it ohh well, but if you really ARE playing at a fishy table the limit dosent matter the players do. All my higher level game stats are in the + because i only play them when donks are around. Sure i lose somtimes but when people are calling down 2nd pair nk, your gona make some cash eventually. Just dont bust out 4 tables and put your whole roll on the line.
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Don't do this, just grind it out for another few thousand hands at your level and then move up. Of course the level matters. If you hit some bad cards and lose a large portion of your roll its not worth it.
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iPoker 20-50NL
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bigspenda73
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Straight Flush
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Pwnsylvania
Posts: 7,545
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A few thousand more will not do it.
Do not move up until you have at least 10k at the .25/.50 level
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SHAKE
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Flush
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 278
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by RipperJ
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Originally Posted by SHAKE
Isnt really that bad, Buy in for 30 BB, if you lose it ohh well, but if you really ARE playing at a fishy table the limit dosent matter the players do. All my higher level game stats are in the + because i only play them when donks are around. Sure i lose somtimes but when people are calling down 2nd pair nk, your gona make some cash eventually. Just dont bust out 4 tables and put your whole roll on the line.
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Don't do this, just grind it out for another few thousand hands at your level and then move up. Of course the level matters. If you hit some bad cards and lose a large portion of your roll its not worth it. |
True buts whats the difference losing 30bb 1 tabling at 1-2 or losing 60bb 4 tabling at .50 1.0. If you have 300 in your roll and there is a very loose passive 1-2 game i say its safe to buy in for 50 bucks. I ve done it alot and its profitable. Yes ive lost the 50 many times due to bad beats but it wasnt such a blow that i could keep on my regular routine. And the times that the cards did come my way durring these games more then payed for the suckouts.
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Chopper
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Straight Flush
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: St. Louis, MO
Posts: 4,255
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i'm a bit confused...
it sounds like SHAKE is giving you advice to buy-in for 30bb's and if you lose it all, thats ok.
if thats the case...thats NOT OK. if the table is right, you should NEVER, let me repeat that, NEVER, be in jeapordy of going "all in" in a hand...at a cash game....NEVER.
you need a minimum of 12 bb's in your stack AT ALL TIMES. what if the action capped on all streets (rare as that may be)? if you had the hand worth playing to that kind of action, you missed valuable money/value. and effectively cost yourself money. dont do that.
like in a NL game, if you bought in with 100 bb's and you got the action you deserved pre-flop w/ AA, but only had 20 bb's in your stack...you should be ashamed of yourself. that is a huge mistake.
sorry, i just cant say it enough...NEVER put yourself in a position to MISS OPPORTUNITY...if you can avoid it...NEVER.
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LHE is a game where your skill keeps you breakeven until you hit your rush of random BS.
Nothing beats flopping quads while dropping a duece!
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Ragnar4
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Full House
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Billings, Montana
Posts: 1,284
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I think Shake may be mis-interpreting the Annie Duke / Howard Lederer rule of "Never lose more than 30 BB in a limit session. IE if you run really bad, even if you're up 500 BB if all of a sudden you tear down to 470 BB, the swing may make you piss money away instead of making good decisions.
It should never be an acceptable practice to lose 30BB. Buying in being willing to lose all 30 in one go is not acceptable either.
But if you are at a table, that you should be absolutely KILLING but those jerks just keep on drawing out, or calling down and catching, or being ahead but not letting you know. If you lose 30 bb, you get away and cool off.
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The older I get, the more I start wondering; Just what in the hell is going on here? 
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bigspenda73
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Straight Flush
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Pwnsylvania
Posts: 7,545
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Stagemn you can just follow the advice in my first post and you'll be fine.
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Stagemn
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Straight
Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 195
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I'll just wait till my BR hits $400 at least. Had a few bad beats last night on a few $0.25/$0.50 sessions and I could just barely recover. Ended up walking away for the evening breaking even. Later today (after work), I'll eventually review my HH a bit.
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