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Old 10-24-2005, 07:54 PM     Post subject: Am I an idiot or is this just a really bad downswing? #1 (permalink)  
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Over the last two days, my 700$ has plummeted to around 490$ in 1500 hands. -220$ and -7BB/100
These are pretty much the usual hands I have. Opponents are rather tag except for a couple which I'll mention. Also, not much in the way of reads except their tag/lag PT stats.


1:

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Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with J, Q.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls, 4 folds, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (4 SB) Q, J, 9 (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 bets, Hero raises, SB calls, BB folds, UTG+1 calls.

Turn: (5 BB) 7 (4 players)
SB checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero bets, SB folds, UTG+1 raises, Hero calls.

River: (9 BB) T (3 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: 9 BB


2: (MP1 is a real LAG donk. Maniac more like...)

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Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with J, J. CO posts a blind of $1.
1 fold, Hero raises, MP1 calls, 2 folds, CO (poster) calls, 1 fold, SB calls, 1 fold.

Flop: (9 SB) 4, 4, 8 (4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, MP1 raises, CO folds, SB folds, Hero 3-bets, MP1 caps, Hero calls.

Turn: (8.50 BB) Q (2 players)
Hero checks, MP1 bets, Hero calls.

River: (10.50 BB) 9 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP1 checks.

Final Pot: 10.50 BB


3: (again villain is same maniac from hand 2)

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Preflop: Hero is SB with 9, 9.
4 folds, MP3 calls, 1 fold, Button raises, Hero calls, BB calls, MP3 calls.

Flop: (8 SB) 5, 3, 8 (4 players)
Hero bets, BB raises, MP3 folds, Button calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (7 BB) 5 (3 players)
Hero bets, BB raises, Button folds, Hero calls.

River: (11 BB) 6 (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 13 BB


4:


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Preflop: Hero is SB with 5, 7.
5 folds, CO calls, Button calls, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (4 SB) J, 9, 4 (4 players)
Hero bets, BB calls, CO calls, Button calls.

Turn: (4 BB) 2 (4 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, CO bets, Button folds, Hero calls, BB folds.

River: (6 BB) 8 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 8 BB


5: BB here is a LAG idiot..but I only found that out after THIS hand

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Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q, K. CO posts a blind of $1.
Hero raises, 1 fold, UTG+2 calls, 4 folds, Button calls, 1 fold, BB 3-bets, Hero caps, UTG+2 calls, Button folds, BB calls.

Flop: (15.50 SB) 9, J, 2 (3 players)
BB checks, Hero checks, UTG+2 checks.

Turn: (7.75 BB) 3 (3 players)
BB checks, Hero checks, UTG+2 checks.

River: (7.75 BB) 7 (3 players)
BB checks, Hero checks, UTG+2 checks.

Final Pot: 7.75 BB


6: Villain is LAG but he hadn't been at the table long at this moment so I didn't know

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Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q, A.
Hero raises, 1 fold, UTG+2 calls, 4 folds, Button calls, 2 folds.

Flop: (7.50 SB) 9, 6, 9 (3 players)
Hero bets, UTG+2 calls, Button folds.

Turn: (4.75 BB) K (2 players)
Hero bets, UTG+2 raises, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 7.75 BB


7: No read

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Preflop: Hero is SB with A, Q.
UTG calls, 6 folds, Button calls, Hero raises, BB calls, UTG 3-bets, Button calls, Hero caps, BB folds, UTG calls, Button calls.

Flop: (14 SB) K, 7, 9 (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets, Button calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (8.50 BB) K (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, Button bets, Hero calls, UTG calls.

River: (11.50 BB) T (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, Button bets, Hero calls, UTG calls.

Final Pot: 14.50 BB

8: BB is UTG from last hand who's very passive postflop. The other guy is very loose

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Preflop: Hero is UTG with K, Q.
Hero raises, 1 fold, MP1 calls, 4 folds, BB 3-bets, Hero caps, MP1 calls, BB calls.

Flop: (12.50 SB) 2, 5, 2 (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, MP1 calls, BB calls.

Turn: (7.75 BB) Q (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, MP1 raises, BB calls, Hero calls.

River: (13.75 BB) 7 (3 players)
BB checks, Hero checks, MP1 bets, BB calls, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 16.75 BB


9:

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Preflop: Hero is BB with 3, 8.
5 folds, CO calls, 2 folds, Hero checks.

Flop: (2.50 SB) 8, 2, 4 (2 players)
Hero bets, CO calls.

Turn: (2.25 BB) A (2 players)
Hero bets, CO calls.

River: (4.25 BB) A (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 5.25 BB


10:

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Preflop: Hero is SB with 9, T.
2 folds, MP2 calls, 2 folds, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (3 SB) A, 8, 7 (4 players)
Hero bets, BB raises, MP2 3-bets, Hero calls, BB calls.

Turn: (6 BB) 5 (4 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, MP2 bets, Hero calls, BB calls.

River: (9 BB) K (4 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, MP2 bets, Hero folds, BB folds.

Final Pot: 10 BB


11: Mp2 is a very loose donk

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Preflop: Hero is MP3 with A, K.
UTG calls, 2 folds, MP2 calls, Hero raises, 1 fold, Button calls, 2 folds, UTG calls, MP2 calls.

Flop: (9.50 SB) 2, 9, K (4 players)
UTG checks, MP2 bets, Hero raises, Button calls, UTG calls, MP2 3-bets, Hero caps, Button calls, UTG calls, MP2 calls.

Turn: (12.75 BB) T (4 players)
UTG checks, MP2 bets, Hero calls, Button calls, UTG calls.

River: (16.75 BB) 9 (4 players)
UTG checks, MP2 bets, Hero calls, Button raises, UTG calls, MP2 3-bets, Hero folds, Button calls, UTG calls.

Final Pot: 26.75 BB


12 and last hand:

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Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with J, A.
2 folds, Hero raises, MP1 3-bets, 6 folds, Hero calls.

Flop: (7.50 SB) 2, 7, T (2 players)
Hero checks, MP1 bets, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 4.25 BB


I'm really getting down right now. I know 110BB might not be much, but 220$ is a big loss for me...almost 1/3 of my BR and TBH i'm pretty scared about that. I try not to let it affect my play, but TBH it's hard to get motivated to actually PLAY after these losses.
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Except for hand 2 all the hands here were lost.
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Old 10-24-2005, 08:10 PM #2 (permalink)  
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Hand 1: Looks good.
Hand 2: Looks good.
Hand 3: I may fold this preflop?
Hand 4: Looks good.
Hand 5: Only thing I might do different is call the 3-bet rather than cap preflop.
Hand 6: Looks good.
Hand 7: I'd call the preflop 3-bet rather than cap and then check/fold the flop. I think that since you capped, you should bet out on the flop to see where you are. I also fold the turn, the way you played it.
Hand 8: Fold preflop.
Hand 9: I'd probably go ahead and bet the river here.
Hand 10: Looks good, I may just cap the flop.
Hand 11: I'd probably raise the turn.
Hand 12: Looks good.
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Hand 4: I would bet/fold or check/fold the turn.
Hand 7: I'm done on the flop.
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Hand 8: Fold preflop.
No f'n way. Raise pre-flop, call the 3-bet then either check/fold or check/call the flop depending what you think of the pre-flop 3-bettor's range.
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Hand 8: Fold preflop.
No f'n way. Raise pre-flop, call the 3-bet then either check/fold or check/call the flop depending what you think of the pre-flop 3-bettor's range.
I've been folding KQo from UTG preflop in .5/1 as a default play.
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Hand 8: Fold preflop.
No f'n way. Raise pre-flop, call the 3-bet then either check/fold or check/call the flop depending what you think of the pre-flop 3-bettor's range.
I've been folding KQo from UTG preflop in .5/1 as a default play.
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Hand 8: Fold preflop.
No f'n way. Raise pre-flop, call the 3-bet then either check/fold or check/call the flop depending what you think of the pre-flop 3-bettor's range.
I've been folding KQo from UTG preflop in .5/1 as a default play.
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I raise KQo and AJo from UTG. If you're a good player post-flop and won't mindlessly spew into the unwashed masses of calling stations unimproved and out of position, you will show a profit. If the game is so stupid-loose that raising UTG will still get a 5-6+ way pot, then it's an easy limp playing fit-or-fold. In games like that you should also be limping any pocker pair, JTs+, etc. Maybe even more crap ala the SSH loose game chart depending on how deep your pockets are and the size of your nutsack.

I also raise ATo from BN+5 (or to put it another way, UTG at an 8 handed table, UTG+1 at a 9 handed table, UTG+2 at a 10 handed table.)
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Old 10-24-2005, 10:14 PM #8 (permalink)  
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Over the last two days, my 700$ has plummeted to around 490$ in 1500 hands. -220$ and -7BB/100
~100BBs over 1500 hands is nothing to panic about, but you are now under-rolled for 1/2. I'd consider beating up .50/1 for a while.
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I've dropped 100bb in 100 hands at least once. 50bb in 100 hands happens all the time. 75bb in 100 hands isn't all that uncommon.
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Then it's back to the .5/1 games for me.
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Your game might be at a point where this post begins to talk to you...

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Then it's back to the .5/1 games for me.
I'm almost certain I've never moved up permanently without moving back down at least once.
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