Originally Posted by Chopper

from what i've read, you need to determine YOUR OWN NATURAL STYLE.

if you are a bit nitty, 20/10/2 (vpip/pfr/AF).

i, however, like to see a few more hands, i run 24/15/3.

however, i've read ideal river numbers are...w$wsf 30-35, w$sd 50-60. and your WtSD number should be in the lower 20's.

bottom line is when you establish your own personal vpip/pfr/AF numbers, you will start to be better at pinning your opponents on ranges based on what you would play and whether your opponent is looser/tighter than you. that alone will make you a better reader of hands...so long as you are a profitable player.

oh, and as for win rate...euphorism (i think) will tell you that you just cannot run over a 2 for 100k hands, mathematically speaking, at just about any level. anything over a 2, over a LARGE sample, is doing very well.

Originally Posted by Chopper

....and your WtSD number should be in the lower 20's.

Originally Posted by Stagemn

are you kidding me? weak tightys loose so much money by not going to SD.

I've always based other players at my table compared to my own numbers. I usually don't play with Aggression Factors on my HUD, but Aggression Frequencies (bet+raise divided by bet+raise+call). Comes with PokerAce. Normally between 50 & 60 is about right. Higher is very aggressive, lower is more passive.

And yes my WWSF is high.... I like it like that. I play based on position, aggressiveness, & cards, not simply cards. The higher the better.