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fooo
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06-28-2006, 06:47 AM
Post subject: AKs, huge multi-way pot
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Join Date: Jul 2005
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3/6 B&M, dealt AsKs.
UTG, UTG+1 (both loose passives) limp. Hero raises from MP. MP+1 (a little loose, but an OK player) 3-bets. 1 fold. CO (somewhat tighter OK player) calls. BN folds. Loose SB says, "You guys are going to cap it anyway" and caps it. One limper drops, everyone else calls taking us to the flop with 5 players and about 20 SB's in the pot.
I'll skip describing how badly I played this after the flop, but am curious what you'd like to accomplish at each street here. Two players in front of me, two behind, one of whom 3-bet and then called, the second called the 3-bet and the cap.
Flop: Ac Qd 7c
Turn: 6c
River: 9c
Naturally your actions on each street depend on everyone else's, but what do you generally try to do here, and if you get away from the hand, when? I'll say that the flop was checked to the last player, who bet and was called by all the players.
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flotu
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Join Date: May 2006
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I'd probably think about getting a cheap show down here cause that queen sure are'nt beutiful - making AQ and QQ very happy.
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euphoricism
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4-of-a-Kind
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The "since youre going to cap it anyway" line is complete and total bullshit.
Bet the flop, see if the guy behind you raises. Then if he does, if the limpers come along. If everyone is still in, get to showdown cheaply.
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arkitekton
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Flush
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: canada
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No idea what the capper has--he could be on JTs for all I know, and I've seen this bet in the last month w everything from 99 to A9o to AA.
I'd like to fold a gutshot in ep, so I'll bet here and use my relative position in the hopes that the pf 3-bettor raises. Makes it difficult with the two flush on board for someone with KT not clubs, or JT not clubs, to call especially if they fear I'll reraise. If I get raised and 3-bet (more convincing than if I check, mp2 bets, and someone raises) I'll fold. After that, I'll try to get to a showdown cheaply. I think it's more likely I'm splitting or losing than I am ahead, and with the threat of AA, QQ, and AQ out I can't just pound away all the way to the river, so after investing on the flop I'll try to play this as cheaply as possible.
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fooo
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Join Date: Jul 2005
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I was trying to figure out if there was a good way to lose backdoor draws at least, single clubs, or backdoor straight draws, but with the bettors behind me playing somewhat passively, I didn't think I could count on them to raise if I'd led out (and wasn't sure I wanted them to), so I opted for what seems like a fairly popular option here of getting to showdown cheaply.
I check-called the flop and turn (bet by last guy to act both times). I was considering check-raising the turn if a club or straight card didn't show and the bet was closer to my right, but it didn't happen.
I led out the river figuring I'd call one bet, only the Kc would raise me, and I might lose some of the weaker clubs nearby and be left with players without clubs who couldn't call that. That left me with one caller (the original 3-bettor), and everyone else folded. The 3-bettor showed TcTx, and the last-to-act player was seriously pissed. His reaction has me convinced that he folded AxQc -- called 3 bets pre-flop but didn't want to cap with that, and didn't want to overcall with the second nut because he assumed one of us had the Kc. I suppose it conceivably could've AxJc as well but much less likely.
Anyway, just wondering in typically poor results-oriented fashion if I should be trying to come up with lines to lose TcTx earlier here...
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Originally Posted by euphoricism
The "since youre going to cap it anyway" line is complete and total bullshit.
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I guess I find this read-dependent. I find lots of players who want to gamboool and get a piece of the action in a big pot and will cap a pot with worse than A9o -- even limp-capping down to A5o.
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arkitekton
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Flush
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: canada
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I was trying to figure out if there was a good way to lose backdoor draws at least, single clubs, or backdoor straight draws, but with the bettors behind me playing somewhat passively, I didn't think I could count on them to raise if I'd led out (and wasn't sure I wanted them to), so I opted for what seems like a fairly popular option here of getting to showdown cheaply.
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Well, it's another reason to bet here.  Imagine we're mp+1 (I call this mp2, btw) looking at TcTo, and you bet. A reasonable player may well figure he's way behind at this point, that his backdoor draw to the 3rd nut flush may be worthless (and expensive even if 2 more clubs come), that his relative position is lousy, that he's vulnerable to a raise which destroys his odds, and that even if the longed for T falls on the river it puts three to a straight on the board. I were him I'd probably fold here. Even making three tens, with this board and all the pf betting, is no guarantee of taking down the pot
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6high
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Straight
Join Date: Dec 2005
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Does the preflop capper bet the flop?
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silverfist
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Flush
Join Date: Sep 2005
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Well, the pot's big enough that it's worth taking some serious risks to protect your hand. If it's bet into me, I'd just call, planning to wait until the turn to raise, since I won't scare anyone out with a single raise in a 20 SB pot. If it's checked to me, I'd bet, hoping maybe a guy behind me would raise, and build up a pot where I'm probably the favourite.
On that turn, I'd raise a bet before me (or bet if checked to, hoping to get raised). Sure, someone might have a flush, but I'm dead to any club on the river, so I'd better protect my hand if no one already has a flush. If it's 3-bet, I'd probably dump it. I'd maybe crying call twice if I end up heads up and the reraiser is a total psycho. However, if the 3-bettor was right behind me, I'd probably crying call it down, hoping he was protecting his hand, too, and mine's better.
When that river comes, I'm not over calling, even for one bet, but if only one person had bet in front of me, I'd raise. I the bettor is bluffing (which sometimes happens on four-flush rivers), I might knock out low clubs that would beat me. Sure, I'd probably lose, but I'd only he'd only need to be bluffing about 10-15% depending on the pot size for this to be profitable.
That's an ugly set of cards though. I always lose a ton of money on pots like this (though I occasionally win a ton, too  ).
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fooo
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Join Date: Jul 2005
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The pre-flop capper check-called the flop and turn and check-folded the river.
Silverfist, I guess I tried a similar tactic on the river to your suggested raise by leading out (there was no bet in front). And I'd been considering raising the turn, except the action on the flop and turn went bet (from last to act)/call/call before it got to me, and what's a raise good for there?
I'm thinking now that perhaps leading out the flop is the way to go, although I'm still not exactly sure what I hope to have happen. With the pot that big, if everyone plays passively (which they did), even guys with hands as marginal as, say, KcKx/JcJx (backdoor straight/flush draws + marginally clean set draws)/AJ (backdoor straight/2 pair draw?) might have odds to call down. It seems like the best thing I can hope to have happen is leading out and getting help from one of those weaker holdings to drive other weak holdings out. More likely, I'm getting help driving out weaker holdings by something that has me badly beat, no?
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