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Nehmer
Old 05-22-2005, 02:39 AM     Post subject: AKs and AKo hands for review... #1 (permalink)  
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Over the past week, I have had the worst results I've ever had in a week since moving up to 3/6...Down almost 200BB. Over this time, AKs is my biggest losing hand and AKo is also a decent sized loser. AQo and AQs are incidentally both also small losers. Figured I would post a random sampling of my AK hands to see if I am suddenly doing something very wrong with it or if it's just bad luck. I don't remember reads on most of these hands...

Hand 1:

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Preflop: Hero is MP1 with K, A.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, Hero raises, 5 folds, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: (5.33 SB) 3, 6, 4 (2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets, UTG+1 calls.

Turn: (3.66 BB) 9 (2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets, UTG+1 calls.

River: (5.66 BB) 3 (2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: 5.66 BB

Hand 2:

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Preflop: Hero is CO with K, A.
5 folds, Hero raises, 2 folds, BB 3-bets, Hero caps, BB calls.

Flop: (8.33 SB) 2, Q, J (2 players)
BB bets, Hero calls.

Turn: (5.16 BB) 8 (2 players)
BB bets, Hero calls.

River: (7.16 BB) T (2 players)
BB bets, Hero raises, BB calls.

Final Pot: 11.16 BB

Hand 3:

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Preflop: Hero is BB with K, A.
[color:#666666]3 folds[/color], MP1 calls, 2 folds, CO raises, 2 folds, Hero 3-bets, MP1 calls, CO caps, Hero calls, MP1 calls.

Flop: (12.33 SB) 4, 3, 6 (3 players)
Hero bets, MP1 folds, CO raises, Hero calls.

Turn: (8.16 BB) K (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets, Hero calls.

River: (10.16 BB) T (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 12.16 BB

Hand 4:

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Preflop: Hero is MP1 with A, K.
2 folds, Hero raises, 1 fold, CO calls, 1 fold, SB calls, 1 fold.

Flop: (7 SB) Q, 2, 5 (3 players)
SB bets, Hero calls, CO calls.

Turn: (5 BB) T (3 players)
SB bets, Hero calls, CO folds.

River: (7 BB) 7 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: 7 BB

Hand 5:

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Preflop: Hero is UTG with K, A.
Hero raises, 3 folds, MP2 3-bets, 5 folds, Hero caps, MP2 calls.

Flop: (9.33 SB) 6, 2, 8 (2 players)
Hero bets, MP2 calls.

Turn: (5.66 BB) 3 (2 players)
Hero bets, MP2 calls.

River: (7.66 BB) J (2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 checks.

Final Pot: 7.66 BB

Hand 6:

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Preflop: Hero is SB with K, A.
2 folds, MP1 calls, 2 folds, Button raises, Hero 3-bets, 1 fold, MP1 calls, Button calls.

Flop: (10 SB) 7, 4, 5 (3 players)
Hero bets, MP1 folds, Button calls.

Turn: (6 BB) J (2 players)
Hero bets, Button raises, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 9 BB

Hand 7:

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Preflop: Hero is MP3 with K, A.
3 folds, MP1 calls, 1 fold, Hero raises, 2 folds, SB calls, BB calls, MP1 calls.

Flop: (8 SB) K, 6, T (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, MP1 checks, Hero bets, SB folds, BB calls, MP1 calls.

Turn: (5.50 BB) J (3 players)
BB checks, MP1 checks, Hero bets, BB folds, MP1 raises, Hero calls.

River: (9.50 BB) 7 (2 players)
MP1 bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 11.50 BB

Hand 8:

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Preflop: Hero is CO with A, K.
UTG calls, 3 folds, Hero raises, 2 folds, BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (6.33 SB) 4, 9, 7 (3 players)
BB bets, UTG folds, Hero raises, BB 3-bets, Hero calls.

Turn: (6.16 BB) 2 (2 players)
BB bets, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 7.16 BB

Hand 9:

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Preflop: Hero is BB with K, A.
3 folds, MP2 calls, 1 fold, Button calls, SB completes, Hero raises, MP2 calls, Button calls, SB calls.

Flop: (8 SB) T, A, 9 (4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, MP2 calls, Button calls, SB calls.

Turn: (6 BB) 9 (4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, MP2 raises, Button folds, SB folds, Hero calls.

River: (10 BB) 2 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 12 BB

Hand 10:

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Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with K, A. MP3 posts a blind of $3.
1 fold, Hero raises, UTG+2 3-bets, 2 folds, MP3 (poster) caps, 4 folds, Hero calls, UTG+2 calls.

Flop: (13.33 SB) 2, 7, T (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG+2 bets, MP3 calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (8.16 BB) Q (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG+2 bets, MP3 calls, Hero calls.

River: (11.16 BB) 5 (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG+2 bets, MP3 calls, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 13.16 BB

Hand 11:

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Preflop: Hero is Button with K, A.
2 folds, MP1 calls, 2 folds, CO raises, Hero 3-bets, SB calls, 1 fold, MP1 folds, CO caps, Hero calls, SB calls.

Flop: (14 SB) T, 7, 2 (3 players)
SB bets, CO raises, Hero folds, SB 3-bets, CO caps, SB calls.

Turn: (11 BB) J (2 players)
SB checks, CO bets, SB calls.

River: (13 BB) J (2 players)
SB checks, CO bets, SB calls.

Final Pot: 15 BB

Ok, I think that oughta be enough for one post...I just can't figure out why I'm consistently losing almost every session all of a sudden after running so good the past few months. If these all look good, I can post more hands, because it doesn't seem like AK should be a badly losing hand over the course of about 15000 hands without me playing it badly somehow.
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Old 05-22-2005, 03:11 AM #2 (permalink)  
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You won't do well at Party 3/6 without reads and good table/seat selection. ABC tight poker alone doesn't get the job done often enough at this level.

Hand 1: Standard
Hand 2: Standard
Hand 3: I don't understand the flop line, leading out looks weak and the better players in this game know it. AQ is raising this flop quite often. A turn c/r is clearly called for and bet/fold is a much better river line.
Hand 4: A read on the SB makes all the difference. Sometimes a flop raise is clearly called for.
Hand 5: Well played
Hand 6: Well played
Hand 7: Well played
Hand 8: This is why I don't auto-raise an unimproved AK on the flop. Calling down is a much better line if there is a good chance of facing a bet/3-bet.
Hand 9: The flush and 9x got there, with a read the pot might be small enough to let this one go.
Hand 10: I like it
Hand 11: Yup
 
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Old 05-22-2005, 05:41 AM #3 (permalink)  
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You won't do well at Party 3/6 without reads and good table/seat selection. ABC tight poker alone doesn't get the job done often enough at this level.

Hand 3: I don't understand the flop line, leading out looks weak and the better players in this game know it. AQ is raising this flop quite often. A turn c/r is clearly called for and bet/fold is a much better river line.
Hand 4: A read on the SB makes all the difference. Sometimes a flop raise is clearly called for.
Hand 8: This is why I don't auto-raise an unimproved AK on the flop. Calling down is a much better line if there is a good chance of facing a bet/3-bet.
Hand 9: The flush and 9x got there, with a read the pot might be small enough to let this one go.
So on Hand 3 would you suggest a check/raise on the flop? I don't understand how leading out looks weak, since that is probably what I would do with a better hand like AA or KK...

Hand 4, I probably should have raised the flop. That hand was toward the end of the week and I was thinking that auto-raising AK unimproved might be part of my problem like in Hand 8. I remember that hand and SB was the typical 3/6 17/8 player who is tight and somewhat aware, but probably playing multiple tables.

What criteria do you look for in deciding if you raise the flop unimproved like in hand 8? I think this might be one area that my game is seriously lacking in. I tend to almost always raise except maybe if a Q or J comes on the flop, but I don't know what sort of read I want in order to just call. I know somebody who only bets if they have something would be a call situation, but there aren't many of those players around at 3/6.

Hand 9 the guy had KQ of hearts, so had the flush. Again, what kind of read do you want on this guy in order to lay this down? I get raised on the turn by draws and nothing hands so often at 3/6 that I have a hard time laying a hand like that down...I find that there are very few people that are only capable of raising the turn with the nuts at this level of play, so I am always worried that laying down a fairly good hand is a mistake.
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So on Hand 3 would you suggest a check/raise on the flop? I don't understand how leading out looks weak, since that is probably what I would do with a better hand like AA or KK...
check/call the flop. Trying to induce a fold from a guy that capped pre-flop won't work often enough. Too many players make silly leads into the PFR to give them much credit. Hence, if I'm leading it's because I intend to 3-bet.

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What criteria do you look for in deciding if you raise the flop unimproved like in hand 8? I think this might be one area that my game is seriously lacking in. I tend to almost always raise except maybe if a Q or J comes on the flop, but I don't know what sort of read I want in order to just call. I know somebody who only bets if they have something would be a call situation, but there aren't many of those players around at 3/6.
Tough questions, I don't think there are easy answers. That fact we're HU, have outs and maybe even the best hand in a pretty healthy pot makes me inclined to just call down.

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Hand 9 the guy had KQ of hearts, so had the flush. Again, what kind of read do you want on this guy in order to lay this down? I get raised on the turn by draws and nothing hands so often at 3/6 that I have a hard time laying a hand like that down...I find that there are very few people that are only capable of raising the turn with the nuts at this level of play, so I am always worried that laying down a fairly good hand is a mistake.
Pay attention. I probably call down too, but there just might be a laydown here.
 
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