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Wilfie
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09-18-2006, 04:59 PM
Post subject: AKo, where did I go wrong?
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Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: England
Posts: 12
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Hi,
I'm trying to decide where or if I went wrong during this hand, any ideas greatly appreciated?
Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)
Preflop: Hero is Button with  ,  .
UTG calls, 4 folds, Hero raises, 1 fold, BB 3-bets, UTG folds, Hero caps, BB calls.
Flop: (9.50 SB)  ,  ,  (2 players)
BB bets, Hero raises, BB calls.
Turn: (6.75 BB)  (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BB raises, Hero 3-bets, BB caps, Hero calls.
River: (14.75 BB)  (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BB raises, Hero calls.
Final Pot: 18.75 BB
Results in white below:
BB has Qh Kh (flush, ace high).
Hero has Kd Ac (one pair, aces).
Outcome: BB wins 18.75 BB.
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bigspenda73
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Straight Flush
Join Date: Jul 2006
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Enormous pot in the end, river c/r means you are slaughtered, but can you really put him on the flush with the turn cap. I would typically fold to the river c/r in a smaller pot, but not in this one. The cap w/ AKo PF is not that great of a play in FR especially when one of the blinds raises. As played I put him on a weaker ace, maybe AJ, therefore I raise this flop, and played the turn bet/call and check behind on the river. And by the way, you should probably buddy list this player, capping the turn HU with a FD and GSD is certainly not +EV.
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midas06
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: NZ
Posts: 2,196
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you seriously overplayed this hand. 3betting the turn without a good good read there is a bad idea.
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arkitekton
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Flush
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: canada
Posts: 269
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The preflop cap shouldn't be for value, since his range is something like AK, AA-JJ... as a tactical move it can be useful against someone you think you have a shot at folding postflop even though they hold AK, or JJ when a Q flops. I've been able to get out a little more cheaply against nonmaniacs by capping heads up with position then raising a flop bet. Some times the response lets me fold with a clear conscience.
On the flop, if you think you're ahead, why not wait for the turn to raise. If villain has QQ or KK he might actually believe your raise and quit the hand, which costs you money. Patience, grasshopper...
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And by the way, you should probably buddy list this player, capping the turn HU with a FD and GSD is certainly not +EV.
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Yes indeed. While you got screwed on this hand, villain must be an awful player. Seek him out
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arkitekton
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Flush
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: canada
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On the flop, if you think you're ahead, why not wait for the turn to raise. If villain has QQ or KK he might actually believe your raise
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Your flop raise, as happened, in case that wasn't clear.
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ripjohngotti
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Full House
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 1,191
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Call his reraise on turn, check call river. Even after turn cap you should have checked called to him.
Ak isnt the nuts 
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30%
Still looking for my royal flush.
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midas06
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: NZ
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ripjohngotti, have you ever played limit hold'em before?
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Wilfie
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Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: England
Posts: 12
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Thanks guys, some valuable pointers there. 
Guess I got a bit carried away, I just had this strong feeling that I had him but definately should have checked the river when I had the chance!
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pokerfanatic
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to me his flop/ turn line stinks ass of AA, JJ, AK, maybe AJs but lots people wont 3 bet that in FR unless he thinks you're steeling which it's less likely he is thinking at all but if he was because the EP limper it's probably less likely you are in fact steeling so that can probably be ruled out for a reason for his 3 bet... unless you have some sort of read that he would raise marginal hands in this spot like ATs or AJs or KQs est est...
I'm not sure if i 3 bet that turn... his line says i have a monster, unless you have a read on this guy that he makes this play without a big hand, or he'll make this play on some sort of draw... then i would 3 bet him and make him pay to gambol with me...
i don't think i make a bet on the river... honestly why would the guy cap the turn then check to you on the river it makes no since... would the guy really cap a GSD? ask yourself what hands you can beat here that he could possibly be capping on the turn... a weaker ace that's not 2 pair, and a missed GSD, but that cap i don't think he would have JUST a GSD...
i think that you lose 2 more often here then you would gain 1... busted draws fold, and a smaller Ace probably just calls (unless you have some ungodly read on this guy he'd c/r a weaker ace or a hand you can beat or will call with a busted hand) then i think a check and SD is not a mistake...
I feel that you lose more bets then you gain here, and you miss less bets then you would lose by betting if that makes since...
if someone disagrees lets hear your reasoning behind betting, we'll do the math on checking behind and betting and see what's the best +EV play in long run in this spot i think with his play on the turn it's going to be checking because the cap/check makes no since at all... when you get c/r you know your fucking beat but you end up having to pay it because pots so big...
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koolmoe
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Full House
Join Date: Jun 2004
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What was your read when you three bet the turn and then called the cap? Did you have any read?
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Poker is freedom
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Wilfie
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Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: England
Posts: 12
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No real read, villian had only just joined the table and in the few hands he played he went to far in my opinion!
Thought I was on a sure fire thing but the more I look at it the more I realise I should have checked the river. Greed, it always bites you!
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wufwugy
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: May 2006
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fwiw, BB played his hand terribly on the turn.
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dizz
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Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: moscow, ID
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yeah after he caps you on the turn and gives you the chance for a free showdown, i take the free showdown obv.
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I personally wouldn't cap with AKo (only AKs)
I would call down after the turn raise
3-betting here is heading for disaster because that turn raise says "I can beat TPTK"
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dizz
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Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: moscow, ID
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i always cap AKo in small stakes.
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Originally Posted by dizz
i always cap AKo in small stakes.
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that's not what SSH told me D:
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Anosmic
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Full House
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Sweden
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Interesting hand. Certainly unfortunate.
I have to say that capping pf looks fine to me (which perhaps should set off warning bells). I think you have to be ahead here a lot of the time (because a re-raise may be a marginal hand defending a blind) and we've got position.
On the flop we get the re-raise in, on the turn he suddenly check-raises and we've only got TPTK so call here and check behind on the river or call a bet.
As far as generally capping AKo, isn't it usually good if you have a raise and 3-bet from other players? Capping may drive out more hands than calling (and surely AKo does better with fewer opponents?) and you need a big pot to give you odds to see more streets? HU normally may be more questionable.
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