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outphase
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01-06-2006, 09:15 PM
Post subject: AKo situation that comes up once in a while
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This is a situation where I rarely ever find myself, but I figure I made the right play in this one because one of the other 2 are certainly sharing cards with me. Even if I catch, I could be drawing dead. Thoughts?
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Preflop: outphase is Button with A , K .
4 folds, MP2 raises, MP3 3-bets, 4 (including outphase) folds...
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Originally Posted by lambchopdc
Lets stop talking ABC poker and move on to D, E, and F.
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pokerfanatic
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Depends on reads if you fold or see the flop... At least it does to me anyways…
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koolmoe
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I'm capping here 100% without a read. Only if you know AA or KK is out there do you not have equity to cap three handed.
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pokerfanatic
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Originally Posted by koolmoe
I'm capping here 100% without a read. Only if you know AA or KK is out there do you not have equity to cap three handed.
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well yea i was also debating between calling 3 cold or capping IF you did play the hand, and w/o any reads your right i think that seeing the flop is the correct play...
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Shark Bait
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Flush
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I fold it without reads.
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even with reads i'm capping this. there's no way you can narrow someone down to exactly AA or KK.
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koolmoe
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Originally Posted by |~|ypermegachi
even with reads i'm capping this. there's no way you can narrow someone down to exactly AA or KK.
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Someone who raises 1% of their hands maps to AA, KK, particularly since it's a reraise. If you're paying attention, you can figure out who won't reraise AK, AQ, etc. I've seen a handful of these types over 150K hands or so, so in general I agree.
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outphase
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The closest thing I had to reads on the players at this point in the game was that MP2 was fairly loose and doesn't raise much preflop and MP3 (along with the whole table) haven't 3bet preflop.
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Originally Posted by lambchopdc
Lets stop talking ABC poker and move on to D, E, and F.
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mike4066
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takes a really tight player to make me fold this in a ring game preflop.
3bet, and have fun!
If they cap it be afraid, if they don't and you hit your in a good situation.
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outphase
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Originally Posted by mike4066
takes a really tight player to make me fold this in a ring game preflop.
3bet, and have fun!
If they cap it be afraid, if they don't and you hit your in a good situation.
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Yeah, I was ready to 3bet this one, but the 3bet right before me got me wondering
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Originally Posted by lambchopdc
Lets stop talking ABC poker and move on to D, E, and F.
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mike4066
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oops, i butchered that last response, somehow I got confused
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elipsesjeff
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I cap!!!!!!!
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euphoricism
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This actually comes up quite often, and while i never feel comfortable open-capping, i almost always do.
And why are you playing 3/6 full? Learn 6max. :]
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outphase
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Originally Posted by euphoricism
This actually comes up quite often, and while i never feel comfortable open-capping, i almost always do.
And why are you playing 3/6 full? Learn 6max. :]
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I've had my fair share of 2/4 6max... it's the only location where i've consistently lost
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Originally Posted by lambchopdc
Lets stop talking ABC poker and move on to D, E, and F.
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Ltrain
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Originally Posted by euphoricism
And why are you playing 3/6 full? Learn 6max. :]
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3/6 full is so tight it squeaks.
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I think calling/capping is reasonable. Aside from KK and AA, the only other thing you fear is the combo of AK and QQ-TT where you only have 4 outs to split the pot. I think there are enough possibilities for the other 2 to hold that you can call this. I'm starting to think about a fold if the action goes raise, 3-bet, call/cap. In that case, I think 2 or 3 of your outs are taken already and whoever has the biggest pp is the favorite.
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pokerfanatic
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Originally Posted by euphoricism
This actually comes up quite often, and while i never feel comfortable open-capping, i almost always do.
And why are you playing 3/6 full? Learn 6max. :]
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I've had my fair share of 2/4 6max... it's the only location where i've consistently lost |
Meah you probably just not making the correct adjustments, I think all Full Ring players first starting out at 6max takes losses...
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“Dream as if you’ll live forever. Live as if you’ll die today.” ~ James Dean ~
"Poker is a lot like sex, peoples perceived ability usually blinds the truth" ~ me ~
"God bless him. Got to bet big to win big! GAMB00L!!!" ~ Fnord
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euphoricism
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I lost my first attempt at 2/4 6max at stars as well. Doesnt mean shit.
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does it not even faze any of you that MP3 might be 3bet isolating MP2? what are you afraid of? you have one of the TOP FIVE BEST FUGGING HANDS in the game and you're thinking of folding??? did i mention you also have position?
the only time you should consider folding is if it's already capped to you. and the only reason is because you're too likely to be sharing outs against another high pocket pair.
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For all you know, one might have a pair of queens, one might be dominated BY YOU. The only hand you should be afraid of is aces. If he has kings, the chances that you catch the king are even less than if he has tens and he catches a ten. And you're not getting involved unless you pair up.
SSH 3-betting hands on a tight table:
AK, TT-AA
now on a loose table:
AQ-AK, 99-AA
If they have a pair, you just need to pair up. If they have aces... you can't just fold every hand preflop scared of aces. If they have AK it's a split pot. You're about 45% against the 3-bettor. You're probably a huge favorite against the first raiser.
I cap without thinking.
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