Poker Forum

Over 1,246,000 Posts!

REGISTER
Subscribe to FTR web feed
Already Registered?      Username:    Password:   Remember      Forgot Password

Poker Forum

  > 

All Other (Limit) Poker

  > 

AK - How would you play it ?

  
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Thinker
Old 06-13-2005, 10:38 PM     Post subject: AK - How would you play it ? #1 (permalink)  

Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 41
Thinker
Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is BB with A, K.
2 folds, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, 2 folds, Button calls, 1 fold, Hero checks.

Flop: (4.50 SB) 4, 5, 7 (4 players)
Hero checks, MP1 checks, MP2 checks, Button checks.

Turn: (2.25 BB) Q (4 players)
Hero checks, MP1 checks, MP2 bets, Button folds, Hero calls, MP1 folds.

River: (4.25 BB) 4 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets, Hero raises, MP2 calls.
Reply With Quote

Play for FREE and practice your game at...

Join the FTR Poker Forum to disable these banners and start posting!
Zinnsoldaten
Old 06-13-2005, 10:43 PM #2 (permalink)  
Straight

Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Sweden
Posts: 130
Zinnsoldaten
I'd raise it pre-flop, postflop the same. (A little bit depending on the ops)
What Shadows We Are, And What Shadows We Pursue
 
Reply With Quote
moiraine57
Old 06-13-2005, 10:44 PM #3 (permalink)  
Straight

Join Date: May 2005
Posts: 112
moiraine57
Question for you:
-Why preflop do you just limp? Everyone is showing a lot of weakness by calling. Why not raise those suckers? If you hit, it builds the pot, if you don't, it gives you some believability if you decide to bluff the flop.

A-Ko is not a "killer" hand, but if you play it, it is definitely worth considering 2 bets.
Reply With Quote
chardrian
Old 06-13-2005, 10:44 PM #4 (permalink)  
chardrian's Avatar
I rarely,if ever, get pms

Join Date: Apr 2005
Posts: 4,524
chardrian is on a distinguished road
Send a message via MSN to chardrian
Raise preflop. Bet flop. At this point the betting is all different so my turn play will either be check or bet depending on the previous action.

Edit read the why you suck at limit post. Then again that's probably what Fnord will tell you anyways.
Reply With Quote
Zinnsoldaten
Old 06-13-2005, 10:45 PM #5 (permalink)  
Straight

Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Sweden
Posts: 130
Zinnsoldaten
Quote:
Originally Posted by moiraine57
Question for you:
-Why preflop do you just limp?
Well, he doesn't really limp - he checks his BB.
What Shadows We Are, And What Shadows We Pursue
 
Reply With Quote
Theeggman
Old 06-13-2005, 11:00 PM #6 (permalink)  
Theeggman's Avatar
Flush

Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: SoCal
Posts: 363
Theeggman
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zinnsoldaten
Quote:
Originally Posted by moiraine57
Question for you:
-Why preflop do you just limp?
Well, he doesn't really limp - he checks his BB.
That's a limp
I'll be a rootin' tootin' shootin' damn fool, protectin' my chips.
 
Reply With Quote
Thinker
Old 06-13-2005, 11:06 PM #7 (permalink)  

Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 41
Thinker
Quote:
Originally Posted by moiraine57
Question for you:
-Why preflop do you just limp?
I checked the BB, not a limp.
Thats actually the only reason i posted the hand

Quote:
Originally Posted by moiraine57
Question for you:
Why not raise those suckers? If you hit, it builds the pot, if you don't, it gives you some believability if you decide to bluff the flop.
I didnt raise the flop, for the same reason i didnt raise PF (maybe it was wrong).
Maybe it makes no diference if its from the blind?
Just wondering if everyone would raise PF.
Reply With Quote
chardrian
Old 06-13-2005, 11:12 PM #8 (permalink)  
chardrian's Avatar
I rarely,if ever, get pms

Join Date: Apr 2005
Posts: 4,524
chardrian is on a distinguished road
Send a message via MSN to chardrian
Quote:
Originally Posted by Thinker
Just wondering if everyone would raise PF.
RAISE PRE-FLOP with AK!! CAP preflop with AK (well not always but usually)!!
Reply With Quote
euphoricism
Old 06-13-2005, 11:33 PM #9 (permalink)  
euphoricism's Avatar
4-of-a-Kind

Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Your place or my place
Posts: 3,610
euphoricism
Send a message via AIM to euphoricism
Woa now. Capping might be a little bit too extreme for AKo. It needs to hit to improve. And the only people who are goin to be capping with you probably already have some of your outs.

Its def. a raise though. A call if raised back.
Reply With Quote
whileone
Old 06-13-2005, 11:54 PM #10 (permalink)  
whileone's Avatar
Flush

Join Date: Nov 2004
Posts: 306
whileone
Ok, i suck at analysing hand histories, so i'm going to take a shot at a good math response with pokerstove.

preflop vs 3 any broadway hands
equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 36.8554 % 32.54% 04.32% { AhKc }
Hand 2: 21.0639 % 18.46% 02.61%
Hand 3: 21.0583 % 18.46% 02.60%
Hand 4: 21.0221 % 18.42% 02.60%

Any broadway, any suited
equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 33.4729 % 31.80% 01.67% { AhKc }
Hand 2: 22.2056 % 21.09% 01.12%
Hand 3: 22.1654 % 21.05% 01.12%
Hand 4: 22.1562 % 21.04% 01.12%

so against "stuff" you're a favorite. not a huge favorite, but worth a bet. if you catch a piece of the flop you're way ahead, you miss, easy fold.

on the flop things change a bit,
Any broadway, any suited
equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 42.6574 % 36.83% 05.83% { AhKc }
Hand 2: 19.1436 % 16.08% 03.06%
Hand 3: 19.0864 % 16.02% 03.06%
Hand 4: 19.1129 % 16.05% 03.06%

Any broadway, any suited
equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 21.6288 % 20.02% 01.61% { AhKc }
Hand 2: 26.1266 % 24.65% 01.47%
Hand 3: 26.1227 % 24.65% 01.47%
Hand 4: 26.1219 % 24.65% 01.48%

so, if they're calling QJo you way ahead, you have to worry about a loose guy calling with small suited connectors, they have a nice piece of a straight. I'd say it's worth a bet, to see where you stand, but i play *way way* too loose. bet, fold to a raise. you're out of position. a check isn't bad.

any broadway:

equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 35.9619 % 33.57% 02.39% { AhKc }
Hand 2: 32.0361 % 30.19% 01.84%
Hand 3: 32.0018 % 30.16% 01.85%

Any broadway, any suited
equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 31.5854 % 30.87% 00.71% { AhKc }
Hand 2: 34.2031 % 33.58% 00.63%
Hand 3: 34.2116 % 33.59% 00.62%

the bad one:
equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 11.3448 % 11.34% 00.00% { AhKc }
Hand 2: 84.5794 % 84.58% 00.00% {any 2 clubs}
Hand 3: 04.0757 % 04.08% 00.00% {stuff}

so, against "stuff" you're have a real small edge. around 1 in 3 to win 1 in 3. if the guy behind you raises, things are sucking. one of the two bettors *has* to have the ace. even if you catch your club, you're toast.

of course, you don't know what the guy behind you is gonna do. i really like a fold there on the turn. at *best* you're even money. what's MP1 going to do?

so, you make the call, river a club.

Hand 1: 67.8483 % 67.85% 00.00% { AhKc }
Hand 2: 32.1517 % 32.15% 00.00% {any 2 clubs}

how likely is it he has the ace? i like a check/call.
Noooooooooooooooo!!
--Darth Vader
 
Reply With Quote
pokerfanatic
Old 06-14-2005, 12:48 AM #11 (permalink)  
pokerfanatic's Avatar
4-of-a-Kind

Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: 6max limit tables
Posts: 1,968
pokerfanatic
Send a message via AIM to pokerfanatic
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zinnsoldaten
I'd raise it pre-flop, postflop the same. (A little bit depending on the ops)
Raising preflop is to narrow the field (well it’s suppose to) a raise here does no god but builds a pot for those that might flop some kind of draw, I don't mind the check... well playing IMO...
“Dream as if you’ll live forever. Live as if you’ll die today.” ~ James Dean ~

"Poker is a lot like sex, peoples perceived ability usually blinds the truth" ~ me ~

"God bless him. Got to bet big to win big! GAMB00L!!!" ~ Fnord
 
Reply With Quote
moiraine57
Old 06-14-2005, 10:33 AM #12 (permalink)  
Straight

Join Date: May 2005
Posts: 112
moiraine57
Quote:
Originally Posted by pokerfanatic01
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zinnsoldaten
I'd raise it pre-flop, postflop the same. (A little bit depending on the ops)
Raising preflop is to narrow the field (well it’s suppose to) a raise here does no god but builds a pot for those that might flop some kind of draw, I don't mind the check... well playing IMO...
The other reason to raise pre-flop is to build the pot. I think A-Ko plays decently enough against a bunch of limpers. If you hit an A or a king pre-flop, you have pretty good odds to have the best hand.

And again, if the flop doesn't hit, your pre-flop raise gives you some credibility if you decide to bluff.
Reply With Quote
TylerK
Old 06-14-2005, 07:08 PM #13 (permalink)  
TylerK's Avatar
4-of-a-Kind

Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: PEANUT BUTTER JELLY TIME
Posts: 1,791
TylerK
Send a message via AIM to TylerK
Other than the lack of a preflop raise, which was discussed, the only other thing I don't like is the river checkraise, I would just lead out and call a raise.
TylerK: its just gambling if i want to worry about money i'll go to work lol
 
Reply With Quote
Reply
Latest Poker News
KoRnholio Old 05-26-2012, 03:08 PM    Australia Legalized Online Poker coming up in next 6 to 12 Months
According to an email sent out by Mark Bryan, a gaming analyst at Merrill Lynch, the Australian government plans to legalize online poker sometime in the next six to 12 months. This move will coincide ...

« Previous Thread | Next Thread »
Thread Tools
Display Modes
Linear Mode Linear Mode

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


All times are GMT. The time now is 12:07 PM.

Contact Us - Archive - Top

FTR Testimonials

All content
© FlopTurnRiver.com 		Advertising  |   Partners  |   Testimonials  |   T&C  |   Contact Us  |   FTR News & Press  |   Site Map  |   Search FTR

Full Tilt  |   Titan Poker  |   UltimateBet  |   Poker Stars  |   Ladbrokes Bonus  |   Sportsbook  |   Cake Poker  

Play Texas Holdem Online, Online Texas Holdem Strategy, & Poker Forum
This is not a gambling website.