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Fnord
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09-25-2004, 06:48 AM
Post subject: AK is a drawing hand...
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Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) converter
Preflop: Fnord is BB with A , K .
UTG calls, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 raises, MP3 folds, CO calls, Button folds, SB folds, Fnord 3-bets, UTG calls, UTG+2 folds, MP1 calls, MP2 caps, CO calls, Fnord calls, UTG calls, MP1 calls.
Flop: (21.50 SB) 8 , 8, 8 (5 players)
Fnord checks, UTG checks, MP1 checks, MP2 bets, CO calls, Fnord raises, UTG folds, MP1 folds, MP2 3-bets, CO folds, Fnord calls.
Turn: (14.25 BB) 7 (2 players)
Fnord checks, MP2 bets, Fnord raises, MP2 calls $1.50 (All-In).
River: (17.62 BB) 5 (2 players, 1 all-in)
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So who won?
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Fnord
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Who do you think won? More importantly, do you think I played the hand well?
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if i was in that situation i would probably have done the same. normally if someone raises on the flop and i didn't hit my A or K, i would fold if i didn't get good pot odds. however, what are the chances of him hitting a quad? more importantly why would he call a 3x bet with 8x preflop?
i hope this dude wasn't a chaser who hit his straight...
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Fnord
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*Any* pocket pair has me on 6 or fewer outs, I'm drawing dead to the case 8...
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Xianti
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Wow, Fnord.
Granted, I don't know much about LHE, but by the time MP2 3-bets on the flop, wouldn't you put him on a pocket pair? Seems like you've overplayed your AK.
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scgolfer
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I think he won with a good pocket pair, but with him short stacked on the turn I would have done the same, raise and put him all in.
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Holy crap I cant play against Yoda!!
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either he has the 8, (in which case why would he be capping pf?), or a strong A or a strong PP. Played well by you, I think, but if he weren't short-stacked, I'd have checked and called
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If I had a hammer
I'd drop in the morning
I'd drop in the evening..
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Oh yeah, I thought you were being a complete maniac until I noticed he was short stacked. Ok play in that case.
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Fnord
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MP2 has KJo and MHIG! ...and thus begins a +$180 swing...
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Fnord
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by Xianti
Granted, I don't know much about LHE, but by the time MP2 3-bets on the flop, wouldn't you put him on a pocket pair? Seems like you've overplayed your AK.
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By then it's too late. Between the chance I hit one of my 6 outs (no reverse domination worries) and the chance I'm good, I'm pretty much tied to this HUGE pot. The beauty of his 3-bet is it got me heads-up with him.
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DrNoChance
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My opinion is worth little considering my LHE experience is near zero, but I think I might have been just calling from the flop onwards. You do have odds to chase your 6 outs (assuming they are clean and he isn't AA/KK/A8s) but it's really hard not to put this guy on a pocket pair considering the pre-flop action. I mean, KJo?!? WTF! You have to hope that guy sits at your table a few more times in the future 
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DrNoChance
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Bah, I didn't notice how short stacked he was. Never mind. Raising is fine since he's pretty much getting it all-in anyways if you don't.
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Fnord
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Exactly, and putting in a raise on the flop might save me from splitting the pot, or set-up a win. I can see a small pocket pair folding to a raise, but calling it down otherwise. The key here is the pot is huge because of all of the pre-flop action.
The turn raise was just to speed up the action as a courtesy to the other players at the table. I wish more people would do this. One of my pet peves is people actually taking time to think in these situations!
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Originally Posted by Fnord
One of my pet peves is people actually taking time to think in these situations!
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I read in Book of Tells that it's generally considered bad etiquette to take a great deal of time to make a decision in LIMIT Hold'em, whereas, it's expected in no-limit.
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Originally Posted by Xianti
I read in Book of Tells that it's generally considered bad etiquette to take a great deal of time to make a decision in LIMIT Hold'em, whereas, it's expected in no-limit.
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No it applies to No-Limit too. Stupid shit like that drags out play of the hand, like:
$100 pot, with a $4 river bet to call, and taking several seconds to think about it!
Player with $5 remaining bets the flop/turn for $4, other player just calls.
One player has $20 left, the other player bets $18.
At some point, just put the guy all-in because he's going there anyway so the rest of us can get to the next hand...
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