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thenonsequitur
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12-21-2005, 02:15 AM
Post subject: AK against a good player that probably thinks I am a maniac
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2/4 6-max. I am the SB. I had been getting dealt a lot of good hole cards and flopping a lot of good hands and then losing on the turn or river, so I was betting and raising all over the place and then losing (and folding before showdown or mucking the showdown without showing) so I probably seemed like a loose aggressive maniac. UTG is a good taggy player.
I think I may have mis-played multiple streets. I didn't feel aggressive enough this hand, especially give my table image, but I really don't know. I can't figure out what the best line is here. What do people think?
Preflop: Hero is SB with A K.
UTG calls, 1 fold, LP calls, CO calls, Hero raises, BB calls, UTG calls, LP calls, CO calls
Flop: (9.5 SB) 4 6 J (5 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG bets, LP folds, CO calls, Hero calls, BB folds
Turn (6.25 BB) K (3 players)
Hero bets, UTG raises, CO folds, Hero calls
River (10.25 BB) A (2 players)
Hero bets, UTG raises, Hero calls
Final Pot: 14.25 BB
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rubixstreub
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I would 3-bet the turn and call down if he caps.
As played I don't see why you'd lead the river if you're not willing to 3-bet the turn.
-this isn't my game, and these aren't my stakes, but that's how I see it.
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LeFou
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i agree with rubix. if you actually think you're behind on the turn, check call this river. if not, 3bet it
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not2smart
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Again.. all of my posts seem to be weak and tight.. but...
I would fold to the flop bet. You have, at best, 4 outs and could very well be drawing dead. Add to that the fact that there are still multiple opponents left to act, who could possibly raise behind you. And finally, even if you do catch your A or K (non club) on the turn (which is a 10.5:1 draw) I think that the redraw for your opponents makes this a -EV play. And for you spiking your card and it winning ASSUMES multiple favorable conditions: 1. that you are not drawing dead already; and 2. that a simple one-pair will be enough to win even without the flush hitting.
Conclusion: I don't think that 10.5:1 odds are enough to call here.
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silverfist
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Originally Posted by not2smart
Again.. all of my posts seem to be weak and tight.. but...
I would fold to the flop bet. You have, at best, 4 outs and could very well be drawing dead. Add to that the fact that there are still multiple opponents left to act, who could possibly raise behind you. And finally, even if you do catch your A or K (non club) on the turn (which is a 10.5:1 draw) I think that the redraw for your opponents makes this a -EV play. And for you spiking your card and it winning ASSUMES multiple favorable conditions: 1. that you are not drawing dead already; and 2. that a simple one-pair will be enough to win even without the flush hitting.
Conclusion: I don't think that 10.5:1 odds are enough to call here.
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I have to agree here. You have overcards with no backdoor flush or gutshot and only a very weak backdoor straight. Plus, 2 of your outs are tainted. AK is nice, but it's worth laying down on the flop when you hit nothing at all, especially when your outs are tainted.
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euphoricism
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Meh. I probably don't raise this preflop, you're just building a pot out of position and tying people to their draws. I call, and donkbet the flop if I hit. On a board as ugly as this, I probably check/fold the flop with very little invested.
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Originally Posted by euphoricism
Meh. I probably don't raise this preflop, you're just building a pot out of position and tying people to their draws. I call, and donkbet the flop if I hit. On a board as ugly as this, I probably check/fold the flop with very little invested.
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AKs has 40% equity against 3 opponents in the 30% VPIP range. no way i'm giving that edge even out of position. RAISE!!!
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euphoricism
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Meh. Fair point.
If you raise preflop, you have to bet the flop, unless youre planning to check/fold.
I still find an argument for not raising preflop.
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Originally Posted by euphoricism
If you raise preflop, you have to bet the flop, unless youre planning to check/fold.
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what's wrong with check calling?
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dsaxton
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No one would check-fold the flop? The pot is small, and with no pair and no club, he's drawing incredibly slim against any made hand with a club, or hands like A-4 and A-6, if the first position player is loose-passive (not to mention potentially drawing dead against trips or a flush).
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