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tbone
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Join Date: Oct 2004
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Ive played arounf 12000 hands now and was over looking my stats. I was wandering what other players Winning % was for AK. Out of those hands Ive had Ak 108 times and AKs 29 times. Of those hands Ive won with AKs only 45% of the time with a small negative BB of .03. Ive won with AK 55% of the time at + .42 BB/100. Neither one of these hands seems to have a huge +EV. How are other players stats. And if your much better win rate was is your tactic with these starting hands. Cap the bet preflop or does your betting depend on your position. Do you RAM and JAM post flop or play cautiously after the flop?
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outphase
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Join Date: Apr 2005
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i don't have my stats at work with me, but one flaw amongst players is taking AK too far when need not be. capping preflop is fine and should be done given the equity of AK HU or multiway is pretty high. There are times when you have to learn how to let go also. All of my AK hands are in the green. calling turn/river bets without connecting with the board is a little leaky depending on the stakes you play.
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Xanadu
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Join Date: May 2005
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FR, 45% winrate with AKs is fine. 29 hands is a very small sample and it is easy to be a little in the red here. I had AQs as one of my 5 worst hands after about 10k in my database. Variance happens. If you also have low stats with AQ, AJ, AT, you might need to make an adjustment. If not, chalk it up to variance until you have a lot more hands.
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littleogre
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Join Date: Oct 2004
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Preflop i always cap with ak suited and with ak unsuited it depends. It is sometimes ok to call 1 bet on the flop with just the 2 big over cards. If you miss the turn i would fold unless you hit your hand or picked up more draws. That info is for multi way pots. If the pot is heads up 1 routinely call down with ak depending on the aggression level of the player. Also in multi way pots while i feel it is not good to call a bet and a raise with just overs i also feel it is ok to raise when somebody else has bet if you think it will push others out that are left to act behind.
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thenonsequitur
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06-19-2006, 08:34 PM
Post subject: Re: AK
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Join Date: Nov 2004
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While you could be doing something wrong with AK (or AKs), it is certainly possible you are just running bad with it, like I have been lately with AKs. I just filtered my hands by the last 12K hands of poker I played, and in that block I too am losing money with AKs, while AKo is in my top ten most profitable hands. Overall though, both AKs and AKo are big winners for me. If you are still in the red with AKs after another 10K hands, then I'd be more concerned. Granted, my database is for 6-max, where the variance should be higher, but variance is still pretty bad at full ring.
Also, if you're not sure how to play AK in certain situations, or not sure you've played it right, go ahead and post some hands and people will critique. Even if you think you played them right, it can't hurt to post them and get some nods of affirmation.
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Harry
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Join Date: May 2006
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I'm running 45-55% winrate on them as well. AKo 96 times is 52% and .58BB/hand.
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tbone
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Join Date: Oct 2004
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I guess this leads to another question, the continuation Bet. Lets say ur in MP and you have one or two players behind you and you miss the flop do you check or bet. To me AK is really a drawing hand. Then if you get called and the turn gives you nothing except the flop looks like someone is on a draw do you bet again or check then fold to the bet.
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Xanadu
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Join Date: May 2005
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AK is not just a drawing hand. If you are HU or 3-way it will win a lot of pots unimproved and should be played aggressively, especially on the flop and turn for value until your opponents show strength.
If you are not value-betting AK on the flop against only 1 or 2 opponents, you are losing a lot of value on a premium hand.
If last to act in a multiway pot, you should be betting if checked to you both to protect your hand, and to hope for a free card if you miss the turn.
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midas06
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arkitekton
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Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: canada
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tbone,
of 11.4k hands at $1/2, I've had:
AKs 26 occurences w/ a win rate 69.23% bb/hand=1.01
AKo 105 occurences w/a win rate 66.67% bb/hand=0.87
Your win rate seems a little low, but on such as your 29 AKs hands all it takes is a couple of bad beats, and flops a little weaker than what you might ordinarily be able to expect, and your EV can sink like a stone. Post some hands you've had trouble with!
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